Ships & Modules

If your primary opponents are catalysts, they're going to be using hybrid guns. Hybrid ammo does kinetic and thermal damage, like Serpentis rats.


This fit is cap stable, has 24k ehp, and resists around 70% without stuff turned on, and mid 80s with the DCU and LAIF running. As long as cruiser and smaller rats spawn, it can handle the belt spawns in null.

I believe he's looking for a Retriever build... Alright, I feel like I was a bit of a **** earlier, so let me try and whip one up...

[Retriever, Cata Tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control Unit II

Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

With all V skill this is 19.3k ehp vs. Kinetic and Thermal damage types. However, it's really not worth it and the Procurer is the better choice in my opinion. Also you will have to spend a lot of time skilling up for this fit to actually be worth it when you could jump into the Procurer right now and with sub-par skills be well over this fits ehp vs. Thermal, Kinetic damage. Just remember to watch out for that EM hole on either ship.

griefing miners is not new to me, however I am still surprised people would go after retrievers for isk. IMO, its a retriever, it will die, but who would bother?

Makes me kind of thankful now that my alt skipped barges entirely and went straight to a mackinaw. Lol@retrievers.

I see plenty of macks going town, some with all out tank instead of yield. You just use Vextor to spank a mack instead of Catalyst. Retrivers die easily to single Catalyst, if fully tanked (which means lower yield than using procurer btw) then use a Vextor or 2 Catalysts instead.

you'll never lose a retriever to rats in high sec. simply isn't possible, it has a 25m3 drone bay.

isk/hour difference between an max yield ret and a tanked proc is simply the value of 3 mlus, which is.... 29.5%.
2.2 cans per hour for a procurer.
call it 6m per can of scord for the sake of maths (it's actually 6.3)
13.2m isk/hour
vs a retriever's 2.8 cans per hour
16.8m isk/hour (yes that's only a 27% difference, but rounding errors etc deal with it)
difference of, 3.6m isk per hour. so if you're getting ganked more than once every 10 hours of mining you'll be better off in a procurer, else a retriever will serve you better.

having said that, if you're getting ganked more than once every 10 hours, your choice of ship shouldn't be your first worry.


when you hear the sound of your ship entering low shields, tab back to the game. click something on your overview, spam warp. pod saved.

what's that, you're not at your keyboard? well then, you deserve to lose your implants for being stupid.

of course i mine with the screen minimised, what is there to look at?
why even try to escape a gank? when a combat ship appears on grid, it will have you tackled before you can warp out. if i warped out every time i saw a ship on dscan i'd never get any mining done. it's cheaper to lose a retriever than to dock up every time something with a civilian auto cannon or greater strapped to the hull came within dscan range.

you minimise your chance of getting ganked, or you don't undock. gankers will gank you if they want to, or they won't.
there's no "counter" to ganking. there's simply minimising risk.

to be perfectly blunt, isk tanking a retriever is in my opinion the best way to deal with ganking.