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Starting a Trade "Hub"

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SpaceCowboy Bob
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-01-02 03:19:48 UTC
Greetings, from the Great State of Texas. Big smile


I 'm Intrested to know if a single player in a Freighter could make his/her own trade by buying large quantitys of ships,equipment,amunition,drones and the like then hauling them to a system near low sec. then useing a deep space transport/blockade runner to get them into a station in low sec.

Kind of funny but it would be supplying the pirates that wish to destroy/pod you an i could get the last laugh buy making them pay me a kind of ransome because they would rather buy it their instead of going into high sec for their goods.

Since i would be transporting the good a far ways, and not to mention the goods are being sold in low sec one could expect a good amount more in profits for the increased trave; time/risk.

Just wondering if this could be done especially if i had alittle help from my corporation running blocker for me.

Lemme know what Ya'll think about the concept.


Thanks - Schlumberger Oil Field Services LTD
Roland Schlosser
Entropy Engine
#2 - 2013-01-02 03:39:41 UTC
It's been done before, and with mild success. Biggest issue was keeping items stocked.

Just find a lowsec system close to a FW hub. money to be made.
Hambonie
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-02 03:46:34 UTC
First hello to a fellow Texan. The idea is good in theory but most people that are pirates have alts that move stuff or hire Red Frog or Push to move.

"Soldiers don't die, they just go to hell to regroup"

-Im a anti anti pirate with a carebear side-

SpaceCowboy Bob
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-01-02 03:46:53 UTC
Roland Schlosser wrote:
It's been done before, and with mild success. Biggest issue was keeping items stocked.

Just find a lowsec system close to a FW hub. money to be made.



If the problem was keeping stock up then thats a problem i would like to have, aint that sort of the whole idea? not having sock?

Buying low from Jita and shipping it out far from near trade hubs, then selling for a rather large profit margin is the name of the game.

This could be done in several different regions so as not to put all the eggs in one basket.
SpaceCowboy Bob
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-02 03:50:09 UTC
Hambonie wrote:
First hello to a fellow Texan. The idea is good in theory but most people that are pirates have alts that move stuff or hire Red Frog or Push to move.



If they hire other corporations to move it then that gets expensive. way more expensive then just grabbing what they need out of a local station. I also have a PvP account who could scout the low sec systems to see whats hot on the market.
Hambonie
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-02 04:14:35 UTC
The prices really rant that expensive . We use a service to move our equipment next door to our low sec then have our pilot bring it in. The price for it to ship is still less then the markup would be to buy it at your station.

Say x sells for 5 isk in Jita and you sell it for 8 low sec. My hauling cost only adds .5 o bring my total to 5.5 still cheaper to have it hauled

"Soldiers don't die, they just go to hell to regroup"

-Im a anti anti pirate with a carebear side-

SpaceCowboy Bob
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-02 04:23:04 UTC
Well maybe your right but you say "we" that means corporation im assumeing. I dont think your corp mates would all contract a Freight corp to do the hauling. Im talking about someone who wants to replace a couple lost drones or even raplace a t1 Cruiser or Assault frig or something small scale.

My PvP alt could even pilot ships himself from the highsec/low sec that are too big to throw in a Transpot/BCR.
Hambonie
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-01-02 05:29:39 UTC
SpaceCowboy Bob wrote:
Well maybe your right but you say "we" that means corporation im assumeing. I dont think your corp mates would all contract a Freight corp to do the hauling. Im talking about someone who wants to replace a couple lost drones or even raplace a t1 Cruiser or Assault frig or something small scale.

My PvP alt could even pilot ships himself from the highsec/low sec that are too big to throw in a Transpot/BCR.


Well let me put it this way I bought 3 bil worth of equipment and paid 50 mil to move it

"Soldiers don't die, they just go to hell to regroup"

-Im a anti anti pirate with a carebear side-

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#9 - 2013-01-02 06:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
If you want to Dwell into starting your own trade hub, you should chose a highsec system adjacent to key regional path's tunnels etc.

Once you get that set up, then you should begin dwelling onto lowsec.

Use public contracts, they are the only choice when it comes to a steady stream of freight, that isn't needed there in 5 min, something that can wait up to 14 days.

But I have to admit, push and frog are pretty fast, every single time iv contracted with them.

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You can sell fully fitted (common/typical pvp builds), Roamers LOVE that kind of stuff!
you cant imagine the pain as you sit in your half assembled ship, having to decide weather to go help your buddies with a handy capped ship or Fit T1? or fly to that station 2 jumps out, knowing that its going to take you a bit of time before you could go and rejoin.

Durring my incursion running days in eve online, I was also contemplating, starting a trade hub, asking around, the result I came to was that.
Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#10 - 2013-01-02 06:58:15 UTC
Honestly, I just can't see it being worth your time. Yes the profits per unit will be better, yet trading in HS can allow for larger volumes to be sold, thus potentially more profit overall.

If you are going to do this, I'd highly recommend placing a pvp alt into one of the FW or pirate corps and offering your service. You could even just look at the KB stats for the area you are in, and find a few of the most common ships being destroyed, then supply the ships, the mods and the ammo+drones along with it.

Best way to take on such a project is lots of capital and decent networking skills.
SpaceCowboy Bob
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-01-02 07:15:38 UTC
Thanks for all yalls thoughts/suggestions. Im going to give it a try.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-02 19:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
If you really want to make crazy isk, find the midpoint systems for capitals in low-sec and stock them with ridiculously over priced fuel.

You should have no problem selling volume at 800-1000k pu.
Baruti Kashada
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-02 22:27:27 UTC
the FW idea above is a really good one. look into egg its 1 jump into low sec. talk to ceo of moar tears, fweddit, ilaw to see about getting blue so that you can transport alot easier.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-01-03 05:39:10 UTC
SpaceCowboy Bob wrote:
Greetings, from the Great State of Texas. Big smile


I 'm Intrested to know if a single player in a Freighter could make his/her own trade by buying large quantitys of ships,equipment,amunition,drones and the like then hauling them to a system near low sec. then useing a deep space transport/blockade runner to get them into a station in low sec.

Kind of funny but it would be supplying the pirates that wish to destroy/pod you an i could get the last laugh buy making them pay me a kind of ransome because they would rather buy it their instead of going into high sec for their goods.

Since i would be transporting the good a far ways, and not to mention the goods are being sold in low sec one could expect a good amount more in profits for the increased trave; time/risk.

Just wondering if this could be done especially if i had alittle help from my corporation running blocker for me.

Lemme know what Ya'll think about the concept.


Thanks - Schlumberger Oil Field Services LTD


Trade hubs form not because there is alot of stuff available for sale in 1 area, but because of logistics and accessibility. This is why in the real world during the industrial age cities, trade and market hubs and, etc could all be found near major rivers, and then near rail roads. No one would build all the infrastructure 100 miles away from a major river because it would so much additional work to move items that distance.

And like you said not only will your customers be shooting at you, but also each other. It is far easier and faster and cheaper to simply have an alt buy items and haul it or buy items and pay to have them hauled then traveling though lowsec to a system 2 jumps away from highsec just to buy items at a 20% + mark up.
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#15 - 2013-01-03 17:20:01 UTC
SpaceCowboy Bob wrote:
Lemme know what Ya'll think about the concept.

I sent you a mail.
GreenSeed
#16 - 2013-01-03 18:09:08 UTC
the problem is that people posting the same items for 10% less on a border system will get the sale 90% of the time over you.

also it depends on the type of station, some station undocks are bad for business.
Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-09 03:49:39 UTC
ji there. louisiana here typing on a damn xbox. i recommend you have more than one trader with decent skills....say 200 to 300 orders. you surely can make mucho isk man. but it has to be in a ยจ"town square" type system. lot of good suggestions here. undocks are worth considering as i have horrible memories of serpentis prime.

fully fitted ships are a plus if you or someone in your corp can fit them. and dont price gouge is my best advice i can give you because yeah when they notice suddenly theres a market where there wasnt one before. if you gouge then they will probably only buy from you a couple times and just go back to thier previous buying habits i.e. shipping in from amarr jita etc.

gouging is subjective but in my experience under 15% is usually ok and over ppl start to shop elsewhere.
i personally stay around 10% profit because it gets me lots of repeat business.

the advice offered above about null staging systems and fuel is solid but finding one that isnt camped by other traders can be hard and time consuming if its outside your normal operating regions. do the same with cynos and racial frigs
and pay attention to wars going on in null look at carrier kms and if you are quick and crafty you can sell siege and triage modules at these systems too.

with two max traders you have 610 orders. that is more than enogh to supply all the pvpers and low level mision runners and then some.

nice to see more southerners playing hope your hub works out. my first try didnt but all i get is trolled on the forums. ppl actually helping which is good.