EVE General Discussion

Would be interesting to see tech/module/thingy that can increase/repair a wormhole's mass & time limit. Kind of like the Zuul "Rip Bore" systems from Sword of the Stars.

Sounds great. Shouldn't even be that hard to do, technically speaking, since all you're really asking for is Kspace-to-Kspace wormholes with an unusually high mass limit.

However you should be aware that space owners will rapidly become aware of these "incursions" and will try to take advantage of them for their own purposes.

98% of highsec pvp involves pimped out faction bs/T3s slaughtering noobs/horrible missioners in ravens or drakes. There's nothing wrong with this, its great fun but how many 5 bill vindis will the highsec dudes lose to 5 talos and a falcon before they go home for easier pickings?

E not counting RVB with 20/30 frigs slaughtering each other. But you really think we cant do bigger frig fleets? Rifter swarm best swarm ;P

Most of 0.0 shrugs their shoulders, a few entrepreneurial residents take the opportunity to move haulers full of goods from Jita 4-4 to stock their home system market.

Most of Highsec shrieks and wails all over the forums about how 0.0 are going to invade empire and CCP is pandering to griefing hateful sociopaths and that they're quitting eve and taking their 50 alt accounts with them and eve is dying. Nobody 'plunders bounties and minerals of Null in a reckless but increasingly organized manner' - it is entirely possible to do this already, if those who live in highsec wished to do this they would be already doing so, but that would mean leaving behind the safety of the min-maxed level 4 mission fit and the CCP-tanked Mackinaws and the protection of CONCORD.

Basically it'd be a lot of effort and achieve virtually nothing.

Immediately, if they join a null corp. What's your point?

Nice idea but as others had said the results will be not what you expect.

Easiest way to depict this is.
What is the largest High-sec Alliance what is the average size of the corps in it.

Then take the 5th largest size alliance in null and the average size of the corps.

From there you can surmise the results.
Let alone coalitions, feeding frenzy comes to mind.

So....carebear incursions?

Carebear FC: Quick! Clog those drake's missle launchers with your wrecks and corpses so the rest of us can flee!

Yes, the feeding frenzy insinct would be strong, but I think it would be on both sides. High sec alliance size isn't a good comparison, Alliances aren't needed in High like they are in null but to respond to your numbers question, I would have to guess a couple thousand in something like EVE Uni as being among the largest? The membership numbers aren't as important as fielded numbers at one time. One incursion channel floats just under 500 dropping to a few hundred at any time I've been on and any of these pilots would be able to gather without the need for an Alliance banner since its not a war but an invasion of space not regulated by Concord.

Another thing to keep in mind, these would not be dropping into Alliance bu sytems and some of those systems are held by strong forces but many are not. The feeding frenzy looks attractively biased towards the null entities with today's force projection but large fleets draw large fleets. A defensive fleet would also attract large natural enemies escalating into more major conflicts because of availability of targets. In effect strategies making these incursions become bait fleets. I keep seeing references to dropping shiney incursion style fleets into null. I don't think I've said that though I said something like incursion like. By that I mean players would raid null like Sansha raid constellations. When they attack and withdraw, they do not follow a routing to and from a static origin. They simply warp out and are gone. You can't Chase them to wherever they come from.

Also don't discount the 23/7 factor. How many Alliances will be fielding appropriate sized fleets round the clock 7 days a week. The Blues aren't really going to come to the aid of their coalition members over an over since these aren't long term threats to the overall defensive structure already built. If the defense of someone isn't convenient to the largest alliances immediate plans, they will be late and just showing up for show. New sorts of politics and with them the game will evolve, yes, in ways I can't predict.

Like I said, it would be disruptive and unbalanced, I'll add unpredictable:)

How many of the pilots would? Would you risk your ship under some unknown fc in a public fleet where half the pilots are likely to be hostile alts? 90+% of highsec won't and the rest would bring ****** ships with no doctrinal cohesion and as such would be slaughtered.



Yay moar fights, however unfortunatly since these will be unpredictable events they cannot be factored into strategic planning, as such there are better ways of drawing fights already in the game.



How long do you think it takes someone to make a decent amount of money in 00? its still at least a few hours and all we have to do to trap a fleet in null, or slow them down for long enough for them to die, is anchor bubbles around the wormhole.



ALL alliances that hold sov in null have at least some around the clock presence or at least they have blues who do, look at ec- and hed both systems are camped pretty much around the clock and they don't have a pulsating beacon from ccp to draw in the targets.



Yes they will because fights are not a chore, they are fun. If GSF gets word of a fleet of carebears wandering around razor space in tenal you really think they won't form up a fleet just to **** on you?

The trouble with this is the same as the trouble with the dev caravans and live events. If something takes place in null that draws in high-sec residents, all those visitors are going to see is the business end of a 1400mm artillery barrage as soon as they land on grid, followed by the business end of a cloning vat back in HS.

Edit: Though if this issue could be resolved in some way, I'd be in full support of this idea.