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Is this game all about AFKing?

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Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-31 18:40:23 UTC
I've always tried to get into EVE and I've always failed, why? Because I'm yet to figure out how this is a game and not just a tool you run while doing other things.

Want to mine? Click on rocks and watch lasers for hours on end

Need to travel somewhere? wrap, watch, jump, wrap, watch, jump....

Want to PVE? Warp, target, click fire....

Is there anything in this game that is actually actively engaging AS A WHOLE and not little tiny bits of playing in between "WARPING" and sitting in a station? Can I login and spend 80%+ of my time DOING something that isn't spreadsheets (market for example) or chat?

Am I just wasting time even trying?

Not trying to come off like a jerk, just honestly don't understand how this is a "game"..... :/
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-31 18:49:19 UTC
Exploring/astrometrics, pvp combat come to mind.. PvE combat is easy because making it more complex would make pvp where you have to do several other things at the same time unbearable. Exploring you have to scan stuff down with the minigame.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-31 18:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Giddie wrote:
I've always tried to get into EVE and I've always failed, why? Because I'm yet to figure out how this is a game and not just a tool you run while doing other things.

Want to mine? Click on rocks and watch lasers for hours on end

Need to travel somewhere? wrap, watch, jump, wrap, watch, jump....

Want to PVE? Warp, target, click fire....

Is there anything in this game that is actually actively engaging AS A WHOLE and not little tiny bits of playing in between "WARPING" and sitting in a station? Can I login and spend 80%+ of my time DOING something that isn't spreadsheets (market for example) or chat?

Am I just wasting time even trying?

Not trying to come off like a jerk, just honestly don't understand how this is a "game"..... :/


This is a game where it is what you make of it.

If you play it in a way that you find it boring, you are obviously doing it wrong.

Try to do somelthing you find fun to do.

Some people like to mine, they mine.
Some people like to mission, they mission.
Some like to trade, they trade.
Some like to build, they build.
Some like to PvP, they shoot others.

You like to .................., go do that.

But seriously, if you didn't figure that out by now after multiple tries and come here whining about how you find it boring to do stuff that you just don't want to do. Then, yes, don't even bother trying.

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Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-12-31 19:09:03 UTC
The game gives you the tools to work with basically. You have to figure out what it is you want to do and how you do it. Pretty much all sandbox styled MMOs are like this. Most MMOs will hold your hand or guide you through on what to do and how to do it by giving you a quest line or mission progression path, or by forcing you into taking a specific class and saying you can use, this, this and this. But none of the items or skills in this list over here.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-31 19:20:35 UTC
Kalanaja wrote:
The game gives you the tools to work with basically. You have to figure out what it is you want to do and how you do it. Pretty much all sandbox styled MMOs are like this. Most MMOs will hold your hand or guide you through on what to do and how to do it by giving you a quest line or mission progression path, or by forcing you into taking a specific class and saying you can use, this, this and this. But none of the items or skills in this list over here.


This...


Wonder how the OP used to play in the sandbox when he was young.

Back then, you were given tools (shovel, bucket, etc) and then you did everything after that on your own.

EVE = that sandbox
ships, ISK, game mechanics = shovel, bucket, etc.

Go create the most awesome stories, but be aware, there are bullies in this sandbox.

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Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-31 19:29:27 UTC
Go pvp, and try to do that afk

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears

Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-31 19:30:30 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Kalanaja wrote:
The game gives you the tools to work with basically. You have to figure out what it is you want to do and how you do it. Pretty much all sandbox styled MMOs are like this. Most MMOs will hold your hand or guide you through on what to do and how to do it by giving you a quest line or mission progression path, or by forcing you into taking a specific class and saying you can use, this, this and this. But none of the items or skills in this list over here.


This...


Wonder how the OP used to play in the sandbox when he was young.

Back then, you were given tools (shovel, bucket, etc) and then you did everything after that on your own.

EVE = that sandbox
ships, ISK, game mechanics = shovel, bucket, etc.

Go create the most awesome stories, but be aware, there are bullies in this sandbox.


I played fine in a sandbox, like I do in many sandbox games....hell I've played the crap out of games like Just Cause 2.

The problem I'm having is that each gain of sand seems to be afk (wait times) apart. I have my bucket, but what fun is spending 4 weeks afk flying around trying to fill it with sand.....
Bjron
501st Amarr
#8 - 2012-12-31 20:18:30 UTC
Giddie wrote:
I've always tried to get into EVE and I've always failed, why? Because I'm yet to figure out how this is a game and not just a tool you run while doing other things.

Want to mine? Click on rocks and watch lasers for hours on end

Need to travel somewhere? wrap, watch, jump, wrap, watch, jump....

Want to PVE? Warp, target, click fire....

Is there anything in this game that is actually actively engaging AS A WHOLE and not little tiny bits of playing in between "WARPING" and sitting in a station? Can I login and spend 80%+ of my time DOING something that isn't spreadsheets (market for example) or chat?

Am I just wasting time even trying?

Not trying to come off like a jerk, just honestly don't understand how this is a "game"..... :/

Mining is boring, try mining using two accounts, while taking to corp mates and one of the accounts is hauling minerals.

As for travel, you must not be warping to 0, warping to 0 is way faster. don't auto pilot everywhere.

PvE at lower levels is easy, its gets more interesting as you go along. Me personally I kinda get into the story and lore/history of the game and I like running missions.

Running missions keeps me fairly busy, managing drones and what target to shoot next.

PvP is a full attention all the time sort of thing.

You are like me, back in 2009 when I didn't "get" Eve either.

Like others said, Eve gives you all the tools, build your own sand castle or go knock some other castle down.

The market, and playing the market is far, far more aggressive than you understand now, I don't still fully "get" the market, but know how to judge time, mineral worth and fair market price can be a full time job.

You look for deals (the I mine my minerals so its "free" crowd help you), look for markets to fill, items to flip and so on.
If you keep watch, you might find some "not so smart person" selling ships for less than its mineral value of the ship and so on.

Eve is what you make it.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#9 - 2012-12-31 20:20:11 UTC
This game is about starting from nothing and building your own name in New Eden. It takes time, work, sweat, and tears (oh the delicious tears). It's about picking something that interests you, and working at it until you are the best you can be. There is always something to do while waiting for something else. 4 day skill training to increase your gunnery? Use the skills you currently have to gain an increased understanding of the weapon system. Everything takes time. And this game requires loads of patience. I've been playing for 5 months now (not long at all in the bittervets' eyes) and I still don't know what I want to specialize in. I love pvp, but then I need to pick a race, and then other things from there. All I can say is find something you like (that isn't afk) and stick with it.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#10 - 2012-12-31 20:42:08 UTC
the most non-afk action in eve is pvp

but pvp mechanics in eve is not very good compared to pvp games - because you kinda lock and shoot,no aiming,no expert manouvering except keeping your velocity,its kinda like strategy game not a pvp game

and thats if you can get into fights in the first place Roll
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-31 20:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Giddie wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Kalanaja wrote:
The game gives you the tools to work with basically. You have to figure out what it is you want to do and how you do it. Pretty much all sandbox styled MMOs are like this. Most MMOs will hold your hand or guide you through on what to do and how to do it by giving you a quest line or mission progression path, or by forcing you into taking a specific class and saying you can use, this, this and this. But none of the items or skills in this list over here.


This...


Wonder how the OP used to play in the sandbox when he was young.

Back then, you were given tools (shovel, bucket, etc) and then you did everything after that on your own.

EVE = that sandbox
ships, ISK, game mechanics = shovel, bucket, etc.

Go create the most awesome stories, but be aware, there are bullies in this sandbox.


I played fine in a sandbox, like I do in many sandbox games....hell I've played the crap out of games like Just Cause 2.

The problem I'm having is that each gain of sand seems to be afk (wait times) apart. I have my bucket, but what fun is spending 4 weeks afk flying around trying to fill it with sand.....



If you think that just training a skill higher will make you a better pilot, you are totally wrong.

The best pilot is the one that knows what he is doing, not by definition the pilot with the highest SP count.
A new player that knows how his ships works, how gunnery and DPS works can win from someone who only AFK trains for years.

Sure, while AFK you can still train a lot of skills.

Sure, while semi AFK you can still mine.
Sure, autopilot makes traveling AFK possible, but ATK and manual flying is quicker and safer.

Try to AFK in PvP or Incursions.P

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Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-12-31 21:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Giddie
You guys really aren't convincing me of anything, yet to see an actual response to my question aside from:

"You can....do stuff!"

Joined a corp last night, spent almost 45 minutes warping to their HQ. Got there and looked at missions, level 1's are 19 jumps away....YAY MORE WARPING.

And then when I get there and get the missions, they'll tell me to....yep....you guessed it....

warp somewhere....dock....warp back!

or

warp somewhere......gate from that somewhere.....click twice and watch your ship slowly fly around in a circle while shooting......warp back

YAY!!!

When I tried Eve about a year and a half ago, I joined a PVP corp and omg was it fun. We all got on teamspeak and went in and out of dock so we could "hide" while our little scout found someone. We even got to blow up a whole ship after 3 hours of sitting in a station waiting!

YAY!!!!

The appeal of this game makes no sense to me and, like in this thread, trying to figure it out just leads to mega fan boys going Apple Vs. Android like I've insulted their god for dare questioning how to actually enjoy this game without putting hundreds of hours of research into it.
Merouk Baas
#13 - 2012-12-31 21:41:32 UTC
We don't want to convince you.

The waiting in this game doesn't seem any longer than the waiting in other MMO's (EQ, WoW, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2 that I can attest to), so we are OK with it. This is typical of MMO's, where you have to walk to the next quest hub or fly from city to city to sell your stuff, etc. Same waiting.

If the time wasted is what you have a problem with, then may I suggest don't play MMO's.

This game is actually better than all the other MMO's, because here you can put buy orders on the market for 100 million for all the little tiny pieces of equipment that you need, and you can have other people bring everything to your lap so you don't wait another second. It just costs you a lot more. This option isn't available in the other MMOs.

Anyway, if you don't like waiting, don't play MMOs.

This is the game. Play it or not.
Bjron
501st Amarr
#14 - 2012-12-31 21:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bjron
Giddie wrote:
You guys really aren't convincing me of anything, yet to see an actual response to my question aside from:

"You can....do stuff!"

Joined a corp last night, spent almost 45 minutes warping to their HQ. Got there and looked at missions, level 1's are 19 jumps away....YAY MORE WARPING.

And then when I get there and get the missions, they'll tell me to....yep....you guessed it....

warp somewhere....dock....warp back!

or

warp somewhere......gate from that somewhere.....click twice and watch your ship slowly fly around in a circle while shooting......warp back

YAY!!!

When I tried Eve about a year and a half ago, I joined a PVP corp and omg was it fun. We all got on teamspeak and went in and out of dock so we could "hide" while our little scout found someone. We even got to blow up a whole ship after 3 hours of sitting in a station waiting!

YAY!!!!

The appeal of this game makes no sense to me and, like in this thread, trying to figure it out just leads to mega fan boys going Apple Vs. Android like I've insulted their god for dare questioning how to actually enjoy this game without putting hundreds of hours of research into it.


You are never 19 jumps away from a level 1 mission for someone if you are in High sec.

Going to and from places is a part of any game.

Look man, you just don't seem to "get it", Eve is what you make of it. I can not stress that enough, and the game is not for everyone. No shame in that, I personally didn't like WoW or TOR.

I checked into all the different parts of the game, and I found what I like to do. If you want to stick with Eve then check into the game, run the tut agents. Find something you like to do.
What helps me is I run pandora in the background with some dub step/80's rock and some blackmores night on mix.

Nothing like some *wub wub pew pew* to relax to at the end of a day.
I like running missions and when I can't be 100% at the KB I mine a little. I chat with other people in game.

Eve doesn't hand you anything, it doesn't tell you what to do, you have to find what you like doing, then do it.

You can run missions, mine, play the market, do PI or trade or play space trucker OR any combo of those things. You can make ships, you can ransom other people, or just blow them up.

There are many aspects to Eve, not each one is right for everyone.
You have to have a bit of a drive and ambition and some goals and imagination for this game.
I eat this space ship, si-fi stuff up. I love the lore, the love the factions.

If you like PvP give Red Vs Blue a try, then move to faction warfare, you just need a way to keep the isk flowing in so the guns keep going though.

Eve is different, it took me a long time to figure it out. Eve is a sandbox, as close as it gets to 100% pure player run and made everything.

Read some of the great stories about how players got scammed for loads of isk, or how a spy brings down a corp from the inside.
Or how pirates and PvP players have fun with miners or blowing stuff up.

You get out of Eve what you put into Eve. If you put nothing in, you get nothing out. Its not like WoW, a themepark where it leads you by the nose, "go here and do this" now go over to that place and do this".

Maybe I picked up on Eve because I loved SWG, another great sandbox.
Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-31 21:49:30 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
We don't want to convince you.

The waiting in this game doesn't seem any longer than the waiting in other MMO's (EQ, WoW, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2 that I can attest to), so we are OK with it. This is typical of MMO's, where you have to walk to the next quest hub or fly from city to city to sell your stuff, etc. Same waiting.

If the time wasted is what you have a problem with, then may I suggest don't play MMO's.

This game is actually better than all the other MMO's, because here you can put buy orders on the market for 100 million for all the little tiny pieces of equipment that you need, and you can have other people bring everything to your lap so you don't wait another second. It just costs you a lot more. This option isn't available in the other MMOs.

Anyway, if you don't like waiting, don't play MMOs.

This is the game. Play it or not.


Except it's nothing like other MMOS....

In other MMOs you explore an open world when you move from point A to point B. In this you explore....nothing.....you go from "tiny random point in space" to "tiny random point in space" vs "YAY WARP BUBBLE".

I can't be mid warp, see a battle going on and go "oh cool, lets stop and see if I can help!"
Bjron
501st Amarr
#16 - 2012-12-31 21:53:00 UTC
Giddie wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
We don't want to convince you.

The waiting in this game doesn't seem any longer than the waiting in other MMO's (EQ, WoW, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2 that I can attest to), so we are OK with it. This is typical of MMO's, where you have to walk to the next quest hub or fly from city to city to sell your stuff, etc. Same waiting.

If the time wasted is what you have a problem with, then may I suggest don't play MMO's.

This game is actually better than all the other MMO's, because here you can put buy orders on the market for 100 million for all the little tiny pieces of equipment that you need, and you can have other people bring everything to your lap so you don't wait another second. It just costs you a lot more. This option isn't available in the other MMOs.

Anyway, if you don't like waiting, don't play MMOs.

This is the game. Play it or not.


Except it's nothing like other MMOS....

In other MMOs you explore an open world when you move from point A to point B. In this you explore....nothing.....you go from "tiny random point in space" to "tiny random point in space" vs "YAY WARP BUBBLE".

I can't be mid warp, see a battle going on and go "oh cool, lets stop and see if I can help!"

If you want to be hooked by the nose and told where to go and what to do, this is not the game for you.

You have to find out what you like doing.
Maybe MMOs' in general are just not for you? You seem to want to be told where to go, what to do and how to do it. thats not Eve, that's somewhere else.

Eve is a sandbox, I can't tell you how to play it, or be happy with it. All I can tell you is try out every thing you might want to do, then hope you find something you like doing.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#17 - 2012-12-31 23:00:54 UTC

There are many playstyles in this game... Some of them are almost passive, some are slow paced, and others are much faster paced.

PvP engagements are typically very fast paced, although often "setting up" and finding the PvP engagement takes time and energy.

If you want an "instant action" to teleport you into a battle, then this is not the game for you. Unlike Counterstrike, where you buy a gun within seconds of a match starting and are shooting people 10 seconds later, you have to prepare. Ships and modules cost isk, which takes time and energy to ascertain. It takes time to fit out ships, it takes time to move them to your "base of operations". It takes time to locate PvP targets, to travel to missions, to find exploration sites, etc, etc, etc...

There are areas of the game where the waiting time is reduced:
Getting Agents and running them is pretty quick... Talk to an agent, fly 0-2 systems, run mission...
Nullsec Anomalies are quick... fly to ratting system, hit scan, warp to anomaly...
Finding incursion sites takes very little time... Warp to beacon, activate gate... It may take time to find a fleet to run them with though...
Finding PvP is sometimes a slow event, but is often just as fast as finding a mission to run.... There are areas of FW that are highly active, and finding someone to shoot doesn't take very long. There are regions of Nullsec (Curse, Syndicate), where targets are often flying around and you need only attack. Now, these engagements often aren't ideal, and looking for the targets you can defeat and fly away from takes more time..


In the end, EvE requires a time investment to most of the activities you perform. This gives more meaning to losses, and makes EvE a much harsher universe.
Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-12-31 23:24:00 UTC
Giddie wrote:


I can't be mid warp, see a battle going on and go "oh cool, lets stop and see if I can help!"


Yeah you can. Learn to use kills-in-space on the map and your dscanner ;)
Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-12-31 23:45:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Giddie
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

There are many playstyles in this game... Some of them are almost passive, some are slow paced, and others are much faster paced.

PvP engagements are typically very fast paced, although often "setting up" and finding the PvP engagement takes time and energy.

If you want an "instant action" to teleport you into a battle, then this is not the game for you. Unlike Counterstrike, where you buy a gun within seconds of a match starting and are shooting people 10 seconds later, you have to prepare. Ships and modules cost isk, which takes time and energy to ascertain. It takes time to fit out ships, it takes time to move them to your "base of operations". It takes time to locate PvP targets, to travel to missions, to find exploration sites, etc, etc, etc...

There are areas of the game where the waiting time is reduced:
Getting Agents and running them is pretty quick... Talk to an agent, fly 0-2 systems, run mission...
Nullsec Anomalies are quick... fly to ratting system, hit scan, warp to anomaly...
Finding incursion sites takes very little time... Warp to beacon, activate gate... It may take time to find a fleet to run them with though...
Finding PvP is sometimes a slow event, but is often just as fast as finding a mission to run.... There are areas of FW that are highly active, and finding someone to shoot doesn't take very long. There are regions of Nullsec (Curse, Syndicate), where targets are often flying around and you need only attack. Now, these engagements often aren't ideal, and looking for the targets you can defeat and fly away from takes more time..


In the end, EvE requires a time investment to most of the activities you perform. This gives more meaning to losses, and makes EvE a much harsher universe.


I'm not looking for instant action, I'm looking for a way to play the game and enjoy it without the majority of it being "waiting".

It's like driving, I have two options:
- Take the shorter way home and sit in bumper to bump traffic
- Take the longer way home but always move

Both take the same amount of time, but I'll always choose the former because it's more engaging and, in this specific example, it seems faster and more "fun" even if it's not.

EVE seems like an MMO that rather then a grind it has fancy loading screens and rather then being involved and interactive you watch.

Every person that has replied has told me this is a sandbox with so much stuff to do! Not a single one of you have explained to me things that don't involved large amounts of waiting and are actively engaging.

There's a huge difference between "setting up for PVP by doing x y and z" and "Sitting in a station for 3 hours while we wait for a good target."
Merouk Baas
#20 - 2012-12-31 23:58:26 UTC
You haven't raided in WoW, have you? With the guild or pick-up. Cause you wait for hours there too. 50-100 people don't assemble in 5 minutes.

Whatever. You're comparing levelling up in other MMO's with large group action here. It doesn't take you 1 hr to jump into your mining frigate and mine some roids. Get a mission and do it. Trade on the market. Whatever.

You want to see a "cool war" and then participate in it... with what? Your rookie ship? Why would either side of the war bother to even acknowledge you? Our job here isn't to make the game fun for you, it's to make it fun for ourselves.

In any case, again, this is the game, play it or don't. I'll grant you that the other MMO's are on-rail theme parks and this is a sandbox (here's your sand, next!), but similar waiting times are present in all the games, and if that's what you have a problem with then we can't help you. Just don't play; there are plenty other spaceships games out there. See X3AP for example.
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