These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Adapt, they say
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Saint Spark
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-12-31 11:33:03 UTC
Tracking Disruptors - it's terrible. Playing for 6-7 years, trained everything in gunnery, drones. And now, my paladin is flying with 10km optimal (T2 Beams with Radio Lens) because 5-10 TD frigates/crusers jamming me, and drones can't kill anyone. Ugh What is wrong with me?

PS: sorry for terrible english.
Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2012-12-31 15:53:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6636
CCP is trying to make micro jump drives happen. or something. i'm just gonna dock for a year or two and see what's changed later. <-just kidding, but the changes are harder for pilots who have become accustomed to npc AI being a certain way

you gotta fleet up. remote sensor boosters are more effective than self boosters

keep this article in mind, it's about the price of salvage http://evenews24.com/2012/12/19/jesters-trek-week-in-the-life-trips/

also consider what it might cause capsuleers to fit. they're being introduced to jams, points, damps, tracking disruption, on top of webs and neuts. this isnt a bad thing

-+=the ewar is what makes scorpions so hated in PVP=+-

#1 Fan of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
Ginger Barbarella
#43 - 2012-12-31 19:56:42 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
CCP did the right thing, they say Lol
Adapt to that, ya morons.
http://postimage.org/image/s2p7v200l/full/
http://postimage.org/image/3z9anndcx/full/

P.S. and soon TD will affect missiles too Lol


CCP only makes mistakes after they've been fixed. Every NPC distrupting you isn't a bug... it's a FEATURE.

On a side note, I've rebounded into T2 Blaster or Rail Gallente boats with either TE or TC and haven't really been having any issues. Played with a Nighthawk, but I honestly found it kinda boring. Just fit a T2 Rail Deimos this morning before work, so I'll be playing with it in L3's here after work.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-12-31 20:47:40 UTC
Saint Spark wrote:
Tracking Disruptors - it's terrible. Playing for 6-7 years, trained everything in gunnery, drones. And now, my paladin is flying with 10km optimal (T2 Beams with Radio Lens) because 5-10 TD frigates/crusers jamming me, and drones can't kill anyone. Ugh What is wrong with me?

PS: sorry for terrible english.



This
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-12-31 21:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Urgg Boolean
Kery Nysell wrote:
1) Use a Target Painter on something to cement the aggro on you.
2) Release the Light Drones, set to aggressive.
3) Watch the frig swarm melt.
4) ?????
5) Profit !

And against TD's, Sensor Boosters with scripts.

OH MY ! We have to think and use the tools are our disposal to do missions !! OMGWTFBBQ The Sky Is Falling !!!

In actual practice, this procedure only works sometimes. Try this strategy in Mordus Folly 1 of 2. You will be swarmed, webbed and scrammed before you "melt the swarm" - you can't kill enough of them before they close in. If that happens, you have to sacrifice drones to whack the scramming frigs and flee to repair. Or maybe I just suck at EvE.

Additionally, even dual TPs on my tengu won't hold aggro. I've said this since the test phase. Gaining aggro is not hard. Holding aggro is the hard part.

The double whammy of new NPC AI and HM nerf make things much more difficult. And now I hear that TD will affect missiles "soon". Just great - a triple whammy for HM boats.

( not spell checked )
Kery Nysell
#46 - 2012-12-31 21:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kery Nysell
Urgg Boolean wrote:

In actual practice, this procedure only works sometimes. Try this strategy in Mordus Folly 1 of 2. You will be swarmed, webbed and scrammed before you "melt the swarm" - you can't kill enough of them before they close in. If that happens, you have to sacrifice drones to whack the scramming frigs and flee to repair. Or maybe I just suck at EvE.

Additionally, even dual TPs on my tengu won't hold aggro. I've said this since the test phase. Gaining aggro is not hard. Holding aggro is the hard part.

The double whammy of new NPC AI and HM nerf make things much more difficult. And now I hear that TD will affect missiles "soon". Just great - a triple whammy for HM boats.

( not spell checked )


From what I can find on the web, there's only 3 Frigates and 5 Cruisers in the first wave of that mission, plus 5 more Cruisers in the second wave ... the rest are Battleships, staged in several waves ... and none of those scramble, but eve-survival might be out of date ...

I fail to see the problem for a properly tanked BS in that mission, honestly.

Frankly, I don't see the appeal of the Tengu ... it's a Cruiser, a very versatile one indeed, but still a Cruiser, it doesn't have the tank nor the punch for L4 missions, in my humble opinion.

...
Sgt LoveDragon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-01-01 02:40:02 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
CCP did the right thing, they say Lol
Adapt to that, ya morons.
http://postimage.org/image/s2p7v200l/full/
http://postimage.org/image/3z9anndcx/full/

P.S. and soon TD will affect missiles too Lol


CCP only makes mistakes after they've been fixed. Every NPC distrupting you isn't a bug... it's a FEATURE.

On a side note, I've rebounded into T2 Blaster or Rail Gallente boats with either TE or TC and haven't really been having any issues. Played with a Nighthawk, but I honestly found it kinda boring. Just fit a T2 Rail Deimos this morning before work, so I'll be playing with it in L3's here after work.


Thought id share something i posted about the unholy amount of Sensor Damp ewar here as well. It just seems quite over the top since expansion. Not terribly fun anymore.


Sgt LoveDragon wrote:
I was just doing a little exploration in tengu. Ran a Minor serpentis annex.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Minor_Serpentis_Annex

On average i had 12 sensor damps on me for the duration of the site(which took an extra 20minutes longer than it should have). At max that I noticed it was 18 SD's. This stuck my range down to about 12-13km. The 3-4 scramblers/webbers hit me from 20-6km. Once i was in range to be able to lock these guys the locking time was over 30 seconds. Ill probably stick a sensor boost on for next one. But this seems a bit excessive.
PavlikX
Scan Stakan
HOLD MY PROBS
#48 - 2013-01-01 09:44:59 UTC
CCP goes insane!
What tracking disruption to the missiles, who have no rotatable launching platform (cruise, torpedoes and higher)
Rework models then
Why we can not get simple solution to this mes - each TD (or dump and so on) npc can do this only one time.
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-01-01 16:47:13 UTC
Rain6636 wrote:


-+=the stupidly overpowered ewar is what makes scorpions so hated in PVP=+-


Fixed that for you.

E-War is borked (ECM, Dampening and disruption), and it really needs diminishing returns, period.

As one of these posters in here mentioned allready, there should never be a point where you are locked out of everything permanently, and a DR would fix this.

Imagine you could fly a Scorpion without beeing alpha'ed because you are not an insane thread which can take out logis to the point of uselessness anymore. But yeah, we are talking about CCP, so they will refuse to change it anyway :D
Brent Oskold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-01-03 02:37:37 UTC
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.
Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#51 - 2013-01-03 03:52:37 UTC
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.


What does CCP care about people using PLEX for game time? It doesn't matter to them. They've been paid, by somebody, either way. They have no incentive to cut down it.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#52 - 2013-01-03 03:55:48 UTC
Huh, for turrets this is a problem for missiles even heavy missiles this shouldn't be that big of a deal.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-01-03 04:24:19 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Huh, for turrets this is a problem for missiles even heavy missiles this shouldn't be that big of a deal.

If/when the TD/TE/TC changes come for missiles it will become very relevant for missile ships.
Ember Klahan
Sparrowhawks Corp
#54 - 2013-01-03 19:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ember Klahan
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.


I don't follow the reasoning here. EVE is doing better than it ever has in terms of subscribers (iirc), and every time someone plays to pay, someone else already paid CCP for that month. Usually at a better rate than they would get with a subscription payment.

As far as this thread goes, I too am annoyed with NPC ewar. I don't like NPC ewar at all, really; I don't see much of a point besides it just being an annoyance, given the current PvE philosophy of the game. My solution for making PvE more like PvP is to have us engage many fewer much more powerful NPCs (ewar enabled, realistic fits and dps) who have significantly higher bounties and better salvage. Seems like it would be a lot more fun.
Saint Spark
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-01-04 15:47:37 UTC
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.


CCP is doing the great thing - they pull out gamers into real world )))
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#56 - 2013-01-04 18:49:31 UTC
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.



idiot.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Mund Richard
#57 - 2013-01-05 15:00:11 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
P.S. and soon TD will affect missiles too Lol

Player TDs, or NPC ones as well?

If they change the NPC TD, I hope they look at the rest of the EWAR that was changed over the years.
Heck, maybe also (Citadel) Torps and the like...

Would be too good.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Dr Darknipples
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-01-24 15:11:53 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.



idiot.


Even bigger idiot
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#59 - 2013-01-24 15:46:52 UTC
Dr Darknipples wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.



idiot.


Even bigger idiot

If you own a restaurant and 5 customers come in to eat (Play game) and pay for their meals with cash (subscription) you make money. If the next night 5 customers come in and pay with gift certificates (PLEX) you still made money the only difference is that the gift certificate (PLEX) money was in your wallet when the certificate was purchased, not when the meal was made. Your Restaurant (CCP) made the same money regardless.

Actually in most cases gift certificates give a discount for paying in advance PLEX’es actually cost more than subscriptions so in effect CCP makes more from PLEX than they do from subscription, so if your supposition was correct then CCP should be buffing PVE in order to promote PLEX sales rather than nerfing it causing limited ISK to exchange for game time.

For your own safety and those around you, remove the tinfoil hat.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#60 - 2013-01-24 16:17:36 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Dr Darknipples wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Brent Oskold wrote:
CCP is moving to make it impossible to "play to pay". They have been nerfing pve for years. The requirements to pve keep getting higher and higher and the rewards less and less. It's not a push to pvp. It's an attempt to pull in more rl money. This is a signal that eve is not doing well and close to srs financial issues. They have a word for it... Extortion.



idiot.


Even bigger idiot

If you own a restaurant and 5 customers come in to eat (Play game) and pay for their meals with cash (subscription) you make money. If the next night 5 customers come in and pay with gift certificates (PLEX) you still made money the only difference is that the gift certificate (PLEX) money was in your wallet when the certificate was purchased, not when the meal was made. Your Restaurant (CCP) made the same money regardless.

Actually in most cases gift certificates give a discount for paying in advance PLEX’es actually cost more than subscriptions so in effect CCP makes more from PLEX than they do from subscription, so if your supposition was correct then CCP should be buffing PVE in order to promote PLEX sales rather than nerfing it causing limited ISK to exchange for game time.

For your own safety and those around you, remove the tinfoil hat.


You live up to your sig with this post. Well done.