EVE General Discussion

For all its known that pve in eve is to make isk, period, only a few geeks do them for fun, why not try to turn this around?


There has been a lot of fuss about Incursions in high sec giving too much money, then it got nerfed and ppl stopped doing them so original reward had to be reset back, okay, not much solved.



I think that the thing with incursions cannot be fixed alone only, whole pve needs to be overhauled.


Its totally incoherent that there are only a bunch of anomalies per system and in them just 7 frigates, sometimes you might find a cruiser, but the whole thing, in my oppinion, is just not right, the equivalent on missions in anomalies its level 1, and that just sucks.


I would do it this way: in 1.0, 0.9, and 0.8 make them be level 1 equivalent, with its frigates, in 0.7 i would make the equivalent with level 2, with much more frigs and a couple cruisers, then 0.6 pair them to level 3 mission, there could be less frigs than 0.7 but a few more cruisers and A battleship, and 0.5 make them level 4 equivalent, you know, some neuting, some point and tackle and a good dps output.

Then about escalations, if ppl are doing Anomalies in high is because they want to feel safe, you all know this and many of you might agree, there is no need for any mechanic to pull them down to low or null or make them do a peregrination from one system to many others and lose an entire afternoon waiting to get a cool faction mod for just a 7th crate or whatever.
My opinion about escalations is that if it was earned in highsec, it must stay in highsec, however, the difficult must be really increased, they shouldn't be soloable, 2 bs or a bs plus logi should be mandatory, and reward should be equivalent to missions too, but keep the change of getting an officer spawn as it is, but not make ppl go to low or jump through 10 systems...

Then all this system would recplicate on low and null, according to that motto risk/isk.


My point is just that EvE's pve needs a serious overhaul, most of the content we've got is a few years old, and it has always stayed this way, ppl lose ships because they bore to death while doing missions, they tire of it, they lose concentration on that and they go to fukkung while missioning, between reloads, and all of the sudden next time they see the monitor when they go back to eve is a floating pod... boring content people, boring content.

About missions: lvl4 mission payout its good enough for me, difficulty isnt... Duo of Death? seriously? and many other lame missions... most of level 4 should be like Enemies Abound 5/5, this way what you have is a difficult mission, which keeps you looking to the monitor, hooked to it strugling to survive, but with duo of death bullcrap what you get is eager kids who in less than a month playing eve, pretend to be doing level 4 in a lame fitted/trained battleship, and the shame of it is that they manage to succeed !!


Also, about anomalies sites: As stated before, security status of the system limits its difficulty, so sites after completion should respawn at the same speed as incursions do, ppl don't need to clear an entire system and move to next and then the next, this system is not time efficient at all.

About more variety: it is totally ridiculous that at the hardest anomaly in incursion systems you can find a battlecruiser, but then on HQ you find 7902568925679'732670 battleships.... the curve of difficult in different kind of sites and system's security status should be much much smoother.


The whole point of this is that doing anomalies is not profitable, not even as doing missions, so how they are now, its existance is totally useless.
What i'm saying is that nomalies should be paired up with missions, both difficulty and reward.


We also need more variety on incursions, im not only saying that im tired of NRF's, TPPH's and TCRC's, no, im tired of only Sansha's when we have much much more pirate factions that could be used in many ways, different mechanichs that could be interesting, they dont need to be only isk given by concord and loyalty points, we could have incursions that the reward is the possibility to mine a massive asteroid of moon ore, or just low/null sec ore.


So to end up, my ideas are:

• Make missions more appealing, appealing means interesting, not profitable, the profit can stay the same.
• Increase the number of Anomalies per system and its respawn time.
• Revamp all anomaly system and pair them to missions to make them appealing, not only with frigs and couple cruisers per wave.
• Escalations earned in high sec stay in high say, and they cannot be soloed.
• More variety on Incursions, more different kind of sites per HQ, Vanguard, Assault, and different type of Incursions for different pirate factions.

Im assuming that by that crazyness you mean boredom, if its not i also agree because missioning sucks.

But the second statement you make I think its not right, PvE content also attracts customers, and CCp should see that this pve is so discouraging that makes ppl get crazy, as you well said :)

This already exists in game: battleships starts to apper in lowsec. And what would be your idea for lowsec .4-.1 (capital ships?) and in nullsec belts there would be NPC titans and super carrier blobs?

How old are you and why do you feel entitled to so much without the slightest effort?

Can't be bothered with a business plan, can't be bothered to grind, can't be bothered to buy PLEX, can't be bothered to fly cheap ships. You can't even be bothered with PvP so you want CCP to make PvE like PvP. You want it all don't you, on a silver platter.

I don't think EVE will miss you.

Or here, how about we are able to select the difficulty of the mission before we accept it.

Example:

-Easy- Slightly less ships, little ewar but still elite frigs, the LEAST payout(LP/bounties/mission reward). Slightly harder than the hardest L3.

-Normal- Like it was before retribution but with normal levels of ewar and more enemy ships(Average payout)

-Hard- A LOT of big crosses/crazy ewar, only for seasoned mission runners that have a BEAST of a tank/DPS(BEST payout)

This will give newer players a chance to get into L4s for the first time and not like....sweat buckets and read mission guides before undocking every time in fear of losing their first battleship which they can "barely" fly and can't afford to replace.


Also, since people doing missions for isk then this will let them manage their time better. Going to work in 20 minutes? No problem, pick -easy- and you will still have time to put on your shoes. Got plenty of time and know your stuff ?, do them on -hard-.

I'm having fun doing PVE and just playing with new ships and modules. In a couple of weeks I've already made more money than I have skills to use. Speak for yourself, I'm having fun.
Think about it, it's not like I subbed for the PVP. I like PVP and have been gaming since the days of taking a handful of quarters to the arcade but in EVE as a new player the doors to PVP are physically closed to me (gate camps.)
It would be illogical for me to take what little I do have and get gang banged by some guys that have years on me that I could not kill if they were AFK for 2 hours letting me shoot them. If I could kill LeetUberMan1000 it's not like he loaded up on PLEXs and loot in his cargo hold to PVP with, he has enough ammo to fight.

But but the PLAYERS are also "tougher" - CONCORD won't chase them away (with explosions) for you

we can put a man on the moon but its beyond the wit of human imagination to make earning mmo money fun

So many caps, So little to say. When you type like that it doesn't sound like you are trying to make a point. It sounds like a rant. If you are trying to get something changed or maybe get someone to hear you out. You may want to think about what you are going to say and then try your hand at making a coherent post. TL:DR HTFU and find a real corp, One that knows how to acquire huge sums of isk with very little effort. Teamwork and a lil dedication can get you what you want. You don't need an army of alts. Or to grind for hours on end. This is an MMO. I stress the second M which happens to stand for Multiplayer.

Teamwork? You some kind of ~blobber~?

Also, I thought that M stood for multiboxing. Massively Multiboxing Online, right?