EVE General Discussion

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I blame the gate mechanics more than anything. The only reason why you can get three players sitting on a gate in the middle of nowhere on a Saturday night, is because of gates. Also, "middle of nowhere" can still be what I like to call a "gank pipeline". So while there is nobody out there for the most part, a lot of people passing through.


For a while now I have made, and will make once more, the argument that gates and the mechanics around them, such that favors this type of "having nothing better to do" gameplay (which is crap game for BOTH sides of the interaction, BTW) is what forms a "Great Wall of Carebear" around highsec. There are bears on both sides of this wall for while low sec has players who kill everything that moves for no reason (and then comes to the forums to complain about the low population in lowsec) , further out there are intel network and campers to ensure that the nullsec systems, most of them deserted, remain so that lone ratters in carriers can do so without interference.

(Having used wormholes to get to deep null, I have seen lone carriers ratting - you know who you are)


If ships could dial in system to system like in some of our favorite sci-fi movies, we would see the entire playing field open up. The gate camp is replaced by the combat patrol and those who can't run scans and hunt for their prey while semi-AFK will have to find another game.

Whether such capability is done by module or whatever, is not the topic. Certainly if by module, then the fleet that uses gates to have that extra combat module may have an advantage over the fleet that used the warp drive module (or whatever they call it). So it's not like the precious gate camp will be lost to all those leet PVPers.



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I agree with this its a good idea. People complain about miners and people who never venture in to low sec,But the thought of sitting by a gate waiting for some inexperienced player to wonder in and pod him does nothing for me, i would rather mine are build stuff are run missions any day of the week .Just seems like a cheap trick to me but its part of EVE .I would venture in to low sec more if i did not have to be sent down a tunnel with a potential death trap at the end are having to spend time to find worm holes etc.

Would be much better if you come out in some random locations in the system and had to be scanned and chased down instead.I can understand why the gate camp death annoys so many new players and turns many players away from the game it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth )).Unless things change i will still be clicking on avoid on every low sec system unless there is no option.

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We're basically in a catch-22 here. If CCP does something to curb random, stupid ganking, it will **** off the older players, fundamentally change the game, and the vets will leave.

If they keep things the way they are, most new players will quit after short trials, because it's too cut-throat, and the game doesn't grow.

I have no idea what the solution it, but somethings going to give eventually.

Must be the others. It can't be your fault.

I think the biggest problem is that it takes a long time to train and get established in the game. That coupled with the fact you don't interact so much with each other as you do in other games (i.e. character face to face).


I would think a lot of people don't really understand the PvP in EVE.

New players are small fish in a big sea full of sharks.

New players lack the skills (trained) and the experience of playing the game so players that have played for a long time have a huge advantage in PvP, well PvE as well for that matter.

Games of the type like WoW, most people can get to max level within a month then it's just gear and experience. They're not as involved as this game can be, meaning those games are easier to play.

You can't really compare this game to games like WoW as they're a different style of game, but of course that does not stop people from trying.

So as a small fish do you survive until you can compete with the sharks or do you leave the big sea. Personally I find games that are challenging are generally better.

Younger by how much though? Players less than 3 months or 6 months or are you talking of 0.0 blob warfare?

As for repeating carebear myths, I'm not doing that although I've heard a lot over the years. I've been around in one form or another since 2005.

Excuse me for asking, but what the hell did you think you were going to find in lowsec other than people who want to shoot you? If you weren't expecting other players to shoot you then you sure picked a funny place to fly to.

Also you might not be aware of this OP, both because you're new and because you're clearly intellectually subnormal, but you aren't entitled to not be blown up. If someone wants you to explode and you're not willing or able to stop them from making that happen then guess what? You explode. Don't want to explode? Figure out how to stop it from happening or find some buddies who already know.

"I got blown up because I flew solo unscouted into a dangerous place I've never been before for no reason." Is not something wrong with the game. It's something wrong with how you are playing it.

Every attempt CCP has made to curb the bottom feeding has failed. There is no easy answer. If there was, they would have done it. I think we all know EVE will never break a million. The core of the game is 10 years old and while the timers to travel give it the optic of large, the number of real intersect points per system make EVE very small. It's just too easy to grief.

As someone who has spend a significant amount of time, both as a carebear and the potential victim of gate camps and as a gate camper myself, I can safely say that anyone who falls victim to a gate camp, clearly hasn't understood what lowsec or nullsec is there for.

They are there for people to blow each other up. If you jump in and then get blown up, then you didn't take the necessary precautions to stay alive. A scout would have done it, or even taking a small fast ship in would have done it. Friends always help as well, this is an MMO after all.

If you die in lowsec or nullsec you never have any reason to be annoyed at another player. Because that is what null and low are there for. Killing each other.

Also, the implication that Eve will not thrive the way it is is frankly idiocy. Eve is thriving. It is literally the only MMO ever to increase it's sub count every year like clock-work. World of Tanks will be dead in a couple of years. So will most of the other MMOs people here will hold up on a pedestal and say they have more subs.

Gate camps aren't a 100% chance of death. As soon as you land on grid with them, burn back tot he gate and you will be fine. So long as you put an MWD on your ship and your cruiser sized or smaller.

Also, use a scout. Then you don't have to jump in if you don't want to. You don't even really need a scout either, you can just check the map. If the number of kills in that system over the last hour are roughly the same as the amount of traffic going through it (you can check this all on the map), then jumping in is a bad idea.

The problem with Eve is not the players or the mechanics, its the fact that no one ever explains this stuff to anyone. Avoiding gate camps is really really simple once you know how.

Why would we necessary want EVE to break a million subs? It is doing very well with 400k subscribers. In fact EVE is going so well it has been growing for a decade and this december broke a record of 450k subs . In another decade EVE might very well have 1M subs if CCP continue on the right path and it might even come sooner when Dust launches.