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Concordokin For Shooting Abandoned 'Blue' Wreck

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-12-30 21:21:23 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I love how everyone is giving him a hard time for shooting a wreck.

Cause that's totaly a reason to lose a ship.

Some of you have really serious PvP issues.

Hey dont engage what you cant defeat or run from.
Besides we are going on the fact he ran around with safeties off and is then upset by the fact he died.

You know this should become the EVE variant of the Gazebo.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#22 - 2012-12-30 21:24:33 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I love how everyone is giving him a hard time for shooting a wreck.

Cause that's totaly a reason to lose a ship.

Some of you have really serious PvP issues.

Hey dont engage what you cant defeat or run from.
Besides we are going on the fact he ran around with safeties off and is then upset by the fact he died.

You know this should become the EVE variant of the Gazebo.


Upset no, I lose ships all the time - I actually do this thing called PvPing, thus the reason I don't have safeties on. What I am bringing light to is the fact that it is possible to be concorded for shooting what one would assume is a "Free For All" item. As mentioned by the ISD member who commented earlier, it is debatable whether this is an intended Concord reaction or not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-12-30 21:29:27 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Upset no, I lose ships all the time - I actually do this thing called PvPing, thus the reason I don't have safeties on. What I am bringing light to is the fact that it is possible to be concorded for shooting what one would assume is a "Free For All" item. As mentioned by the ISD member who commented earlier, it is debatable whether this is an intended Concord reaction or not.
Mechanically, yes, it might be a bit odd, especially if it didn't happen before but then CW2.0 changed quite a bit so you never know.

Personally, I'm just saying that it's note entirely strange if it happens since you're destroying stuff that isn't flagged as yours.

My guess is that it's semi-intended and that the safeties are indeed there to protect you from these kinds of mistakes.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#24 - 2012-12-30 21:32:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
Upset no, I lose ships all the time - I actually do this thing called PvPing, thus the reason I don't have safeties on. What I am bringing light to is the fact that it is possible to be concorded for shooting what one would assume is a "Free For All" item. As mentioned by the ISD member who commented earlier, it is debatable whether this is an intended Concord reaction or not.
Mechanically, yes, it might be a bit odd, especially if it didn't happen before but then CW2.0 changed quite a bit so you never know.

Personally, I'm just saying that it's note entirely strange if it happens since you're destroying stuff that isn't flagged as yours.

My guess is that it's semi-intended and that the safeties are indeed there to protect you from these kinds of mistakes.


That in itself is completely fair and constructive. Still, concord must really like their spaceship wrecks. In all truth though I do agree that the entire situation is laughable.
Lledrith
Ex Caminus
#25 - 2012-12-30 21:34:25 UTC
Durzel wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Looting and aggression are not the same thing. Whether intentionally or necessarily, abandoning is for the looting mechanic only.

Pre-Retribution it was possible to shoot blue wrecks without Concordokken. If this actually happened it's either a bug or a deliberate change.



if the blue wreck doesn't belong to you or a corpmate it is consider an aggression. working as intended.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#26 - 2012-12-31 09:26:22 UTC
Durzel wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Looting and aggression are not the same thing. Whether intentionally or necessarily, abandoning is for the looting mechanic only.

Pre-Retribution it was possible to shoot blue wrecks without Concordokken. If this actually happened it's either a bug or a deliberate change.



I was gonna shame you but you've already been shamed enough...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Dr Ludovicus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-12-31 10:45:20 UTC
Yesterday I experienced allmost the same issue;

Me and some alliance mates were in a fleet doing missions.
I docked up and one guy in fleet was looting our wrecks, he accidently used a target painter on one of our wrecks (white to everyone in fleet) and got destroyed by concord. We both petitionned this and are waiting for the verdict.

(Posted with an alt char because of... lazy :))
Frying Doom
#28 - 2012-12-31 10:49:36 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
So I had just fitted up a Stabber for some PvP and was interested in trying out the guns to see its projection range. Warp to a belt - Don't see any rats, but I do see an abandoned Wreck. Shoot it, receive a security status penalty and get CONCORDOKIN!

So why does this lead to being Concorded? What criminal action is being taken, when you can loot the wreck freely without becoming suspect? Did not receive a warning message due to my safeties being off, but I do not see why this results in getting concorded. Did I heart the wrecks feelings?

You criminal B*****d, that wreck was going to feed starving orphans for a month.

You had it coming you c**k sucker.

But seriously it does seem a bit weird.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-31 12:08:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
I had the exact same thing happen to me. Except in my case it wasn't an abandoned wreck, it was an auto piloting Mammoth. CCP needs to fix this.

I thought both of those were the same thing!

No, silly. Mammoths show up white on the overview, not blue.


As for the OP: you shot something that wasn't yours. It wasn't really anyone else's either, but it wasn't yours so it makes sense that you're not allowed to destroy it.


I thought you were queen of ganking.

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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#30 - 2012-12-31 12:14:32 UTC
You got destroyed because you wasted precious materials. Both in the form of your ammo and that perfectly salvageable wreck.

The resources in the universe are finite! We must protect the galax... huh? Not finite? Whaaat?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2012-12-31 14:25:05 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
You got destroyed because you wasted precious materials. Both in the form of your ammo and that perfectly salvageable wreck.

The resources in the universe are finite! We must protect the galax... huh? Not finite? Whaaat?

Oh great we are all going to die in the big crunch then.
Well at l east we all get a period of being friendly before we all get to be forced together.
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#32 - 2012-12-31 19:19:28 UTC
Lledrith wrote:
Durzel wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Looting and aggression are not the same thing. Whether intentionally or necessarily, abandoning is for the looting mechanic only.

Pre-Retribution it was possible to shoot blue wrecks without Concordokken. If this actually happened it's either a bug or a deliberate change.



if the blue wreck doesn't belong to you or a corpmate it is consider an aggression. working as intended.

Are you talking now or pre-Retribution?

*shrug* Dunno what to say, but I've shot blue wrecks and cans pre-Retri for ***** and giggles without Concordokken. Alas no longer possible to prove this though so meh.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-12-31 19:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
You could not shoot blue wrecks before the patch either.

Blue does not mean Yours. If you shoot at a blue wreck in highsec Concord is going to come and say hello.

All that blue means is anybody can take from the wreck without gaining aggression.

White wrecks that belong to you... those you can shoot.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ginger Barbarella
#34 - 2012-12-31 19:25:51 UTC
First, it's "CONCORDokken". not "Concordokin"... Get it right.

Second: guess you won't do that again, huh?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#35 - 2012-12-31 19:30:24 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
This does seem like a bug or oversight in the coding.

Still, looking for PvP... in hisec? Something you're not telling us?

This happened to a corp mate (a few months ago). He went to a belt with his orca (with a Hulk in the hold) and decided to clear out the wrecks. With his drones. Clicked through the warning and concord shows up.

Oops.

Customer services took pity and gave him his ship back.

The reason the game works this way is so someone cannot keep a limited engagement going for 2 hours by shooting a wreck. The thing is a blue wreck is still your wreck, you just made it free to loot by everyone. If shooting a wreck you made blue DID NOT bring concord, it would be a way to keep a LE going for 2 hours.

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Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#36 - 2012-12-31 20:06:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
Upset no, I lose ships all the time - I actually do this thing called PvPing, thus the reason I don't have safeties on. What I am bringing light to is the fact that it is possible to be concorded for shooting what one would assume is a "Free For All" item. As mentioned by the ISD member who commented earlier, it is debatable whether this is an intended Concord reaction or not.
Mechanically, yes, it might be a bit odd, especially if it didn't happen before but then CW2.0 changed quite a bit so you never know.

Personally, I'm just saying that it's note entirely strange if it happens since you're destroying stuff that isn't flagged as yours.

My guess is that it's semi-intended and that the safeties are indeed there to protect you from these kinds of mistakes.


i ask myself what happens if you set a wreck that is white (it belongs to you) to free for all. can you shoot it then? it's blue and ffa but still yours?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#37 - 2012-12-31 20:12:52 UTC
YoYo NickyYo wrote:
Disengage safety switch, engage brain.....it's a simple equation.....Shocked




Even Nicky the Yoyo gets it.

Concord is the bringer of harsh, pre-programmed justice. There is no trial by jury. There is no appeal. If you do it wrong, you go kersplat.

I once accidentally fired on a fleetmate when I meant to remote rep. Finger slipped and I hit the wrong key. Fleetmate said, "no worries" and understood it was an accident. Concord didn't want to hear any witness testimony, however, and passed judgement on the spot.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#38 - 2012-12-31 21:05:06 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
YoYo NickyYo wrote:
Disengage safety switch, engage brain.....it's a simple equation.....Shocked




Even Nicky the Yoyo gets it.

Concord is the bringer of harsh, pre-programmed justice. There is no trial by jury. There is no appeal. If you do it wrong, you go kersplat.

I once accidentally fired on a fleetmate when I meant to remote rep. Finger slipped and I hit the wrong key. Fleetmate said, "no worries" and understood it was an accident. Concord didn't want to hear any witness testimony, however, and passed judgement on the spot.



Oh, but there is. I myself may not be able to BUT my able and dependable clone of myself will.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#39 - 2012-12-31 22:20:45 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
So I had just fitted up a Stabber for some PvP and was interested in trying out the guns to see its projection range. Warp to a belt - Don't see any rats, but I do see an abandoned Wreck. Shoot it, receive a security status penalty and get CONCORDOKIN!


So you fit up a ship for PvP....and go shoot a wreck to check range (something that can be done with a simple mouseover of the module)..

Your story....it doesnt add up.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2012-12-31 22:57:44 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I thought you were queen of ganking.
That's just because you're the king of being wrong and of assuming things without basis.

I've never ganked anything in my entire EVE life.
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