Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey there

First I would like to apologize if this has been suggested before - I tend to keep an eye on the forums but I don't read everything. If it has been suggested feel free to tell me so I can go hide in my quarters and keep quiet. Also, I have no direct personal interest in this since I'm a resident of low-sec space, trying to live off loot, ransoms and a trading alt in high-sec.

Anyway. There seem to be a lot of threads about nerfing high-sec and trying to get people to do more things in low / null. My idea would basically comprise the following two points:

• Make very low quantities of null-sec ore available in low-sec
• Nerf industry slots in high and buff them in low/null

Let me try to explain: making some of the precious null-sec ores available in low would allow industrialists to get these ores and build their things without traveling dozens of jumps through scary systems. Instead they could still live in high-sec and just go mining in a neighboring low-sec system every now and then. Null would still have the advantage of a) proving much higher quantities of these ores and b) allowing players to properly control an area, thereby giving their miners the ability to mine in safety whereas low-sec miners would have to run and hide whenever a drunk Rifter gang passes through.

As a side effect this would allow people to get all the materials they need to build a decent ship very close to most high-sec/low-sec border systems, thereby reducing the dependence on trade hubs. Combined with the reduced number of industry slots available in high-sec this might help de-centralize the market - why bring everything to Jita if you can mine and build things locally?

Plus, after a while people will probably start realizing that low-sec and null-sec aren't that scary, use the mostly idle industry slots there, take an interest in their surroundings and hopefully try and chase off people like me. Or they could just ignore all that, mine happily and enjoy the fact that they can now build their ships and modules from scratch. Or they can keep playing exactly as they are doing now, the new options in low-sec should reduce the negative impact from the industry slot nerf.

The core idea behind this is not to force people to change the way they play the game but to give them a good reason why they would want to do so.

Thoughts?

The idea is that there are people that would be absolutely willing to take the additional risks of living in lowsec or nullsec if there was any advantage at all to doing it. Right now, there isn't, and that's broken.

This.

you are saying there are people who want to go to lowsec but they dont go to lowsec

so they dont play the way they want?

they should unsubscribe

Moved to Features and Ideas discussion.

The current progression for many (industrial) players is as follows
High Security
Worm Space
Null Security

I totaly agree.

There are lots of topics in EVE forums these days, but why do these players think it's necessary to nerf Highsec ?
I think that lowsec/nullsec players want more activity, more industry, more pvp in their areas. They just want highsec players to rejoin them. And I don't blame them for that.

The problem is : it's too hard for casual players (or non hardcore gamers) to go into these areas. You get killed SO easily, SO quickly. And losing a ship is really really frustrating... (joining an Alliance or Corporation in lowsec/nullsec might help but it will not prevent them to lose ships).

As I said, losing a ship is frustrating. Even if it's part of EVE (when you lose one, you really lose it)... it gives the player a really bad feeling (rare are players who don't care about losing a ship).

Frustration is not what players want. They want to have fun (whatever the game). So, it's normal that so many players still want to stay in Highsec.They just want to avoid losing ships. The sad thing is... I am sure more players would want to try PVP if it was less risky.

EVE Online (at least, lowsec/nullsec) is not made for the average player, it's aimed at hardcore gamers.
If you guys think nerfing highsec will make players go to lowsec/nullsec, you're wrong. It might have some results but not drastically.

There is a game mechanic problem in EVE Online, that's all.
As long as CCP still makes this game hard for average players, players wll continue to live in highsec (or unsubcribe).
I would really like CCP to create a poll for unsubscribers, asking why they decided to quit the game. I am sure, many of them would answer that they found the game too hard.

CCP is walking a thin line.. They just don't want to lose subscribers and I guess it's hard for them to make important decisions that will affect all players. Highsec/Lowsec/Nullsec is a bad game concept, imo.. See where we are now..

Another one of those threads.
Few people currently enjoy the content offered in lowsec. CCP's main objective is not to spread the playerbase over Eve, they provide content for people to enjoy which then leads to subscriptions and other sources of income for CCP. Giving people incentives to do things in lowsec they currently do in hisec is not going to positively affect CCPs bottom line. It might drive a few hisec industrialists out of the game instead. If you think CCP needs to push more people into lowsec, then the first question I'd like to see answered is: WHY?

..or roughly something like that anyway. The best way to find out if the players in Null and Low will take advantage of something like this is to give it to them. Either way, with improvement in POS refining and manufacturing, you'd see more people relying on them than currently, and less need for Highsec Industry slots.

The reason people stay in Highsec nothing really to do with null or low sec being any better in terms of ISK/h. It is purely risk aversion, same reason there are long-term/permanent newbie corp members that are 5+ year old characters. No amount of buffing LS/NS industry is going to get those bears out from under the watchful gaze of Concord.

There are only 2 options to get HS bears out of HS;
1. Remove concord from HS. If you're at risk everywhere, why not go where the profit is best? This will result in mass cancelling of subs by the HS crowd.
2. Add Concord/variation to low/null sec. If you're safe everywhere, why not go where the ISK is better? This will result in mass cancelation of subs by the PvPers and gankers in low/null.

In short, this is a problem without a solution.