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Null is Broken, Hisec working as intended.

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psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-12-29 22:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: psycho freak
Malcanis wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.

So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!

Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.

Then we would be equal.

Well give you Concord too if you would like.



CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this.




if u want full industry rebalnce then yes


can allways war dec the corp building

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#302 - 2012-12-30 00:55:42 UTC
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#303 - 2012-12-30 03:45:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!



As I said null sec been buffed a zillion times, hisec nerfed, people wont adapt to a over-nerfed hisec, they'll leave, sad, cos 0.0 is just sooooo " fun" Roll

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-12-30 03:53:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I'm completely serious. Lets get the CSM on this or whatever it takes.

Because oh god, can you imagine the reaction of the same guys who go nuts about losing a Hulk or something trivial when their loaded up CSAA gets coathangered?


Titangeddon?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2012-12-30 06:34:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!

Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#306 - 2012-12-30 06:36:23 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!

Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves?

I believe this is indeed the case.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#307 - 2012-12-30 06:39:06 UTC
Truly nobody holds the average highsec dweller in lower esteem then the carebear advocate.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#308 - 2012-12-30 06:45:46 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Truly nobody holds the average highsec dweller in lower esteem then the carebear advocate.

They are great people who deserve to be able to use CONCORD like a safety crutch.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2012-12-30 07:10:56 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I'm completely serious. Lets get the CSM on this or whatever it takes.

Because oh god, can you imagine the reaction of the same guys who go nuts about losing a Hulk or something trivial when their loaded up CSAA gets coathangered?


Titangeddon?

Titanomachy

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#310 - 2012-12-30 07:47:31 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!

Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves?


No, I am inferring that nerfing hi sec has not worked ever so far (L4 missions nerfed about 7 times since 2009) and maybe CCP should think about *why*. Because it's easy and fast to nerf, but hard to setup low and null to be enticing.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#311 - 2012-12-30 07:50:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons, make it so people actually have to work for their isk


How much "work" did hi-sec players put in to get all those invulnerable stations which they can't be locked out of?

You don't get to complain about tech moons in null until stations in hi-sec cost you 20 bill a pop.


I'd buy 3 of those stations today!

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#312 - 2012-12-30 09:11:04 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
null sec working as intended

player controled content

blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas


Yes thank you for reminding us of some useless cliches

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#313 - 2012-12-30 09:12:09 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons, make it so people actually have to work for their isk


How much "work" did hi-sec players put in to get all those invulnerable stations which they can't be locked out of?

You don't get to complain about tech moons in null until stations in hi-sec cost you 20 bill a pop.


I'd buy 3 of those stations today!


Really? OK contact Shirin in game, he'll be delighted to discuss terms.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#314 - 2012-12-30 09:18:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
psycho freak wrote:
null sec working as intended

player controled content

blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas


Yes thank you for reminding us of some useless cliches

What about

blue lists
blobbers (oh you mentioned that)
supercapitals
falcon
boosting alt
afk cloaking
local

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#315 - 2012-12-30 09:20:27 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.

So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!

Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.

Then we would be equal.

Well give you Concord too if you would like.



CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this.




if u want full industry rebalnce then yes


can allways war dec the corp building


Yes exactly

hi-sec CSAAs would reincarnate the hi-sec mercenary business overnight

hi-sec CSAAs!

hi-sec CSAAs!

LETS DO THIS

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#316 - 2012-12-30 09:21:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
psycho freak wrote:
null sec working as intended

player controled content

blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas


Yes thank you for reminding us of some useless cliches

What about

blue lists
blobbers (oh you mentioned that)
supercapitals
falcon
boosting alt
afk cloaking
local


Ehehehe he regularly bangs on about those in the chat channel too, bless his heart

(It's OK to go on about supercaps though)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#317 - 2012-12-30 09:22:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!

Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves?


No, I am inferring that nerfing hi sec has not worked ever so far (L4 missions nerfed about 7 times since 2009) .


Please list those 7 nerfs.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#318 - 2012-12-30 09:23:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
psycho freak wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.

So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!

Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.

Then we would be equal.

Well give you Concord too if you would like.

CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this.

if u want full industry rebalnce then yes


can allways war dec the corp building

Yes exactly

hi-sec CSAAs would reincarnate the hi-sec mercenary business overnight

hi-sec CSAAs!

hi-sec CSAAs!

LETS DO THIS

SOUNDS LIKE A DEAL.

Highsec CSAAs it shall be! First, GSF needs to get some sovereignty in Jita

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#319 - 2012-12-30 09:28:48 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.

Sound business and far sight!

Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves?


No, I am inferring that nerfing hi sec has not worked ever so far (L4 missions nerfed about 7 times since 2009) .


Please list those 7 nerfs.

This should be good.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#320 - 2012-12-30 09:30:14 UTC
They made it so you didn't have to pack into a few systems in eve to get the quality agents. No wait that was a buff.