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Null is Broken, Hisec working as intended.

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Torakenat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#281 - 2012-12-29 02:44:10 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
To tell you the truth, if they "slightly" nerf hisec, it wont make any difference to player distribution, hisec has been mini-nerfed for years (lvl 4 nerfs, datacore nerfs etc etc) people are still not going to nullsec, nullsec needs a MASSIVE overhaul to attract players, nullsec is the problem.


Give me my ferris wheel in null and we'll have an insurgency of new blood.
ashley Eoner
#282 - 2012-12-29 02:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Peter Raptor wrote:
To tell you the truth, if they "slightly" nerf hisec, it wont make any difference to player distribution, hisec has been mini-nerfed for years (lvl 4 nerfs, datacore nerfs etc etc) people are still not going to nullsec, nullsec needs a MASSIVE overhaul to attract players, nullsec is the problem.
It's not the content that's the problem it's the people. The people in nullsec have decided they love a field of blues so they can kick over the sand castles of the small up and coming groups..

Then the nullsec players turn around and complain about the lack of targets.


Nullsec miners crunch ABC ores in massive numbers behind a huge blue shield. The nullsecer then complains that they don't get enough for the massive amount of ABC ore they mined almost risk free.


Seems to me a lot of the complains come from the ability to easily and quickly project a lot of power far from home bases. You wouldn't quite have the same sea of blue if your ability to project power was massively limited. With more risk and fewer miners your ABC ores would suddenly skyrocket in value. Without a sea of blue you'll suddenly find far more targets to shoot.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#283 - 2012-12-29 03:03:36 UTC
True enough too, and also some nullseccers seem to want to nerf hisec, cos theyre are running out of cannon fodder, and they just don't realise being cannon fodder is not everybodys idea of a fun time.

Evelopedia; 

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#284 - 2012-12-29 03:32:38 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
True enough too, and also some nullseccers seem to want to nerf hisec, cos theyre are running out of cannon fodder, and they just don't realise being cannon fodder is not everybodys idea of a fun time.

Hahaha, the only problem is the newbies grow up and eventually they're all using drakes and we need more frigates for frigate roams...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#285 - 2012-12-29 06:55:25 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
True enough too, and also some nullseccers seem to want to nerf hisec, cos theyre are running out of cannon fodder, and they just don't realise being cannon fodder is not everybodys idea of a fun time.


Game needs more masochists.

CCP need to give more incentive for masochists to join the game. How about giving clinically diagnosed masochists a discount on their game time? That would improve nullsec and lowsec A LOT!
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2012-12-29 14:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
So you want an alliance to go through the expense and work of maintaining a functioning infrastructure, keeping it safe from enemy invaders, and freeporting all the bases? And they have to let you act like an antisocial animal just because you are there? Does that make sense?



I don't "want" anything. When I get destroyed going through TEST space getting stuck in a bubble, I move on and try to not get stuck in it again. It's TEST's space, they wanted the bubble there, they put it there. I move on.

I don't act like an antisocial animal, that's the point. When I see people in local, I wave as I'm passing through. When I went through in a venture, someone at a gate camp mentioned not being able to catch me, I replied I wasn't worth much and was passing through, then said bye as I left.

The point is, when I am in someone else's space, I take a chance. I accept it, I move on.

If an alliance wants to be NBSI and blows away everything that moves not blue, that's their fault, not mine. Doesn't matter if I'm in my little corner of NPC Null, or in highsec near Dodixie, or if I'm roaming in lowsec around Schoorasana. It all applies the same; you choose how you want your environment to be.

The rest is just whining.

Your venture could be an enemy spy, scout, or have a cyno.

Or could be me playing in a frig and moving it deep into npc null (which it was)

Who knows, you might be a PL alt, and there's titans in them there hills



Paranoia proves my point. Take for instance, I was a scout. What then? Would killing me actually change anything? no. But killing me does change something. It shows you don't welcome anyone into your space. And that's fine! No problem. I was still able to make it to Sansha space and didn't really miss the Venture I created as a roaming frig nor did I miss the 2mil it cost to make it.

But that group in lowsec just proved that they don't want anyone near them, and they want to sit around popping lone frigs instead of finding content. Again, that's fine!

Bu it's also their fault. And that mentality is also shared by nullsec (Test also proved it when the failed firetail couldn't pop my pod after I got warp bubbled in my impairor).

So regardless if I'm a spy, a lone traveler, or a titan cyno... I'm still there, and I was still unwelcome.

And that's the fault of the inhabitants.

YOUR fault you don't want people around. Not CCP's, not mine. Not highseccers, not industry. Player created interaction.

Congratulations on getting what you wanted.

=)

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#287 - 2012-12-29 16:48:27 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.


Too bad you (like every other high sec genius who says that) have no proof of that. History has shown that people invested in a game will ADAPT rather than leave, and this history is why the CCP brass (rightly) said "watch what they do, not what they say".

People like you need to believe legions of other people agree with them (oh look the post I replied to got 12 likes in a game of 400,000 accounts). Sorry, it's just not true. And if high sec people are too narrowminded to see their is a problem, wel, that's just sad.

You see most people are NOT saying "buff null/low/wormholes" (another common mistake of the high sec paranoid, it's not just about null), because we aren't greedy entitled welfare queens. We simply would like some internal consistancy in the game we play, high sec as currently constituted doesn't fit.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#288 - 2012-12-29 17:20:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.


Too bad you (like every other high sec genius who says that) have no proof of that. History has shown that people invested in a game will ADAPT rather than leave, and this history is why the CCP brass (rightly) said "watch what they do, not what they say".

People like you need to believe legions of other people agree with them (oh look the post I replied to got 12 likes in a game of 400,000 accounts). Sorry, it's just not true. And if high sec people are too narrowminded to see their is a problem, wel, that's just sad.

You see most people are NOT saying "buff null/low/wormholes" (another common mistake of the high sec paranoid, it's not just about null), because we aren't greedy entitled welfare queens. We simply would like some internal consistancy in the game we play, high sec as currently constituted doesn't fit.

Highsec, exceptional and the exception. Come to highsec today~

CONCORDprotectionfreeofchargenotaxesleviesifyoumakeanaltcorporareaminerortrader

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#289 - 2012-12-29 18:14:01 UTC
Look at these guys with their cosy little subsidised monopoly squealing like little piggies at the idea of some actual competition from nullsec industry.

Look at them.

Well at least we can be honest and up front about the real motivations behind opposing a nullsec industry rebalance. No need to pretend any more...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#290 - 2012-12-29 18:15:04 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Look at these guys with their cosy little subsidised monopoly squealing like little piggies at the idea of some actual competition from nullsec industry.

Look at them.

Well at least we can be honest and up front about the real motivations behind opposing a nullsec industry rebalance. No need to pretend any more...


But but but subsidized monopolies are good for the economy and help encourage low barriers to entry and healthy competition.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#291 - 2012-12-29 18:26:22 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Look at these guys with their cosy little subsidised monopoly squealing like little piggies at the idea of some actual competition from nullsec industry.

Look at them.

Well at least we can be honest and up front about the real motivations behind opposing a nullsec industry rebalance. No need to pretend any more...


But but but subsidized monopolies are good for the economy and help encourage low barriers to entry and healthy competition.

Yep, EVE Online, Highsec is magic (so are the police)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#292 - 2012-12-29 18:57:22 UTC
Rain6635 wrote:
it should be that high sec missions are run just for the standings, so pilots can travel through unmolested on their way back to jita. no LP or ISK rewards and bonus.

AND standings degrade over time... so you have to return to repair standings with missions periodically.

like going to the DMV or filing taxes, something that everyone has to do.



Don't be too parochial with your examples - no-one here in the UK ever goes to the DVLA (which is where we get our driving licences from).

There's no need since our licences last until we're 70...and more to the point the DVLA office is in Wales (and no-one goes there voluntarily)

In addition, the great majority of people in the UK don't file taxes, it's ripped out of our pay-packets at source.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#293 - 2012-12-29 19:08:58 UTC
I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.

So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!

Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.

Then we would be equal.

Well give you Concord too if you would like.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#294 - 2012-12-29 19:10:35 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.

So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!

Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.

Then we would be equal.

Well give you Concord too if you would like.



CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#295 - 2012-12-29 19:11:59 UTC
I'm completely serious. Lets get the CSM on this or whatever it takes.

Because oh god, can you imagine the reaction of the same guys who go nuts about losing a Hulk or something trivial when their loaded up CSAA gets coathangered?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#296 - 2012-12-29 19:15:32 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
To tell you the truth, if they "slightly" nerf hisec, it wont make any difference to player distribution, hisec has been mini-nerfed for years (lvl 4 nerfs, datacore nerfs etc etc) people are still not going to nullsec, nullsec needs a MASSIVE overhaul to attract players, nullsec is the problem.
It's not the content that's the problem it's the people. The people in nullsec have decided they love a field of blues so they can kick over the sand castles of the small up and coming groups..

Then the nullsec players turn around and complain about the lack of targets.


Nullsec miners crunch ABC ores in massive numbers behind a huge blue shield. The nullsecer then complains that they don't get enough for the massive amount of ABC ore they mined almost risk free.


Seems to me a lot of the complains come from the ability to easily and quickly project a lot of power far from home bases. You wouldn't quite have the same sea of blue if your ability to project power was massively limited. With more risk and fewer miners your ABC ores would suddenly skyrocket in value. Without a sea of blue you'll suddenly find far more targets to shoot.

And yet we have no shortage of risk or people to shoot at. Your entire premise is flawed.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#297 - 2012-12-29 20:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Jenn aSide wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.


Too bad you (like every other high sec genius who says that) have no proof of that. History has shown that people invested in a game will ADAPT rather than leave, and this history is why the CCP brass (rightly) said "watch what they do, not what they say".

People like you need to believe legions of other people agree with them (oh look the post I replied to got 12 likes in a game of 400,000 accounts). Sorry, it's just not true. And if high sec people are too narrowminded to see their is a problem, wel, that's just sad.

You see most people are NOT saying "buff null/low/wormholes" (another common mistake of the high sec paranoid, it's not just about null), because we aren't greedy entitled welfare queens. We simply would like some internal consistancy in the game we play, high sec as currently constituted doesn't fit.


If you check my opening post, you'll see I said, "lousy player numbers during the last Hulkageddon before the Mining Barge Buff", Hisec was NERFED by Hulkageddon, Thousands left without adapting to broken mechanic where a 5 million isk ship took down a 200 miilion Barge. (Some did adapt, but ended up mining for peanuts/hour relatively speaking and having to spam dscan for hours on end, most not gonna waste time on that kinda brain numbing game play)

Hisec has been nerfed so many times, Null sec has been buffed so many times, if you keep nerfing hisec, only a matter of time before it breaks, and people are not going to log in to make a choice between making 1 million isk/hour in hisec , or go to nullsec to get podded within 5 minutes.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#298 - 2012-12-29 20:28:40 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
If you check my opening post, you'll see I said, "lousy player numbers during the last Hulkageddon before the Mining Barge Buff", Hisec was NERFED by Hulkageddon, Thousands left without adapting to broken mechanic where a 5 million isk ship took down a 200 miilion Barge.

Hisec has been nerfed so many times, Null sec has been buffed so many times, if you keep nerfing hisec, only a matter of time before it breaks, and people are not going to log in to make a choice between making 1 million isk/hour in hisec , or go to nullsec to get podded within 5 minutes.

Hahahaha, look at that.

Just say people will unsub and that gankers are killing EVE.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#299 - 2012-12-29 20:29:52 UTC
yeah you saying things doesn't make them true
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#300 - 2012-12-29 22:35:34 UTC
null sec working as intended

player controled content

blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it