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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#61 - 2012-12-26 14:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
X Gallentius wrote:
I think part of the LP faucet created by CCP was to make faction navy ships more affordable. Performance-wise they ought to be less expensive than their T2 counterparts and finally that is what is happening.

Edit: Also, the map better reflects reality now than before. Right now Gallente dominate most of the time and they now dominate the map. Caldari are still strong in Eha, Rakapas, and OMS/Ladi and it shows. Farmers really only affect the under populated regions of the FW where nobody lives and there is likely nothing that can be done about that other than reduce the size of the map. But then people would complain that the map is too small. What'cha gonna do?


farmers do affect whole map, last reminants who still play FW on caldari side are tied up to defend those systems you mentioned because farmers keep them busy. They do it practically without rewards.

Now if you wonder why we do not take more systems is that no one is willing to run alt horde on caldari side and do the basic plexing all around area keeping gallente defenders busy.

Only thing that keeps gallente 'winning' is that all farmers are on their side, this is why FW does not work at all now, it is even worse than before inferno, CCP did not fix FW they broke it totally.

Biggest **** up from CCP side was to bring some changes faster than others so CCP decided which side will get advantage. No point to fight war where game company favors one side, you can not really win it.

Personally i am playing other games because EVE does not offer any activity that interest me at this moment, changing and bringing more ships does not really bring anything new to game.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#62 - 2012-12-26 15:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Bad Messenger wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
I think part of the LP faucet created by CCP was to make faction navy ships more affordable. Performance-wise they ought to be less expensive than their T2 counterparts and finally that is what is happening.

Edit: Also, the map better reflects reality now than before. Right now Gallente dominate most of the time and they now dominate the map. Caldari are still strong in Eha, Rakapas, and OMS/Ladi and it shows. Farmers really only affect the under populated regions of the FW where nobody lives and there is likely nothing that can be done about that other than reduce the size of the map. But then people would complain that the map is too small. What'cha gonna do?


farmers do affect whole map, last reminants who still play FW on caldari side are tied up to defend those systems you mentioned because farmers keep them busy. They do it practically without rewards.

Now if you wonder why we do not take more systems is that no one is willing to run alt horde on caldari side and do the basic plexing all around area keeping gallente defenders busy.

Only thing that keeps gallente 'winning' is that all farmers are on their side, this is why FW does not work at all now, it is even worse than before inferno, CCP did not fix FW they broke it totally.

Biggest **** up from CCP side was to bring some changes faster than others so CCP decided which side will get advantage. No point to fight war where game company favors one side, you can not really win it.

Personally i am playing other games because EVE does not offer any activity that interest me at this moment, changing and bringing more ships does not really bring anything new to game.



Well to add to this with something that compounds it to a bigger problem and shows how flawed the system is. It's actually in Caldari's best interest not to take back any systems that are un-needed. Meaning Caldari is better off just to hold on to those few Core systems that they want to dock in.

By taking any non essential systems it just provides more places for the Gal/Min farmers to get isk. Just flying around Black Rise and you see loads of Gal controlled systems that are over 50% contested. They don't bother to defend those systems because they know it's not worthwhile to do so. It's better off to allow them to be flipped so they can farm away again.

Caldari is simply using the same tactics that Gals used when Caldari held most of the war zone control and just held their core systems. At least now the systems can't be farmed past vulnerable, so by not flipping the systems back it ends the farmville. If Caldari are smart they wont flip systems back.

The whole pay by tier system is a dumb set up and has no legitimate means of being successful. It's always going to encourage farming for ISK rather than encourage PVP.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-12-26 18:56:26 UTC
X G wrote:
I think part of the LP faucet created by CCP...


What I want to know is what CCP is going to do about this FW tear faucet.

Sure it was nice when it started out, but the tears are starting to get so plentiful that they're already losing their luster.
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#64 - 2012-12-26 22:15:59 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot


And Minnies could take every plex in a gunless t1 frig up to a few weeks ago, yet CCP let that one slide for years but the broken mechanic where Gal/Min couldn't log in after DT was fixed years ago, ya that was fair...... Imbecil.




amarr could do exactly the same in gunless frigs too trust me


No they couldn't, trust me.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#65 - 2012-12-27 00:34:36 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot


And Minnies could take every plex in a gunless t1 frig up to a few weeks ago, yet CCP let that one slide for years but the broken mechanic where Gal/Min couldn't log in after DT was fixed years ago, ya that was fair...... Imbecil.




amarr could do exactly the same in gunless frigs too trust me


No they couldn't, trust me.


Confirming.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-12-27 00:49:54 UTC
honestly they should have fw lp be taxed and help push farmers out. in npc you now lose 11% of your lps

this also allows fe corps to have an income on corp level and have SRP Pos fuel etc


i think it could slighty reduce farming and help the corps recruit from fw npc corp and build together



wont happen though
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#67 - 2012-12-27 05:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot


And Minnies could take every plex in a gunless t1 frig up to a few weeks ago, yet CCP let that one slide for years but the broken mechanic where Gal/Min couldn't log in after DT was fixed years ago, ya that was fair...... Imbecil.




amarr could do exactly the same in gunless frigs too trust me


No they couldn't, trust me.



well my 4 gunless farming alts that made fat lp wen nulli came in beg to differ

and then there was 6 Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#68 - 2012-12-27 09:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Gore
I was baffled that FW gives LP for PvE stuff, but then I realized FW isn't about PvP at all.

Shoot a member of the opposing militia and receive some hundred LP.

OR

Orbit a novice plex for 10 minutes and receive 32k LP.


I think CCP under-estimates the boredom-suffering skills of its playerbase.
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#69 - 2012-12-27 10:37:37 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot


And Minnies could take every plex in a gunless t1 frig up to a few weeks ago, yet CCP let that one slide for years but the broken mechanic where Gal/Min couldn't log in after DT was fixed years ago, ya that was fair...... Imbecil.




amarr could do exactly the same in gunless frigs too trust me


No they couldn't, trust me.



well my 4 gunless farming alts that made fat lp wen nulli came in beg to differ

and then there was 6 Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Ah yes but there was a time before Nulli, a time where NPC's did ewar, one day we should really sit these youngsters down and tell them about the old days...
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#70 - 2012-12-27 14:29:06 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
I was baffled that FW gives LP for PvE stuff, but then I realized FW isn't about PvP at all.

Shoot a member of the opposing militia and receive some hundred LP.

OR

Orbit a novice plex for 10 minutes and receive 32k LP.


I think CCP under-estimates the boredom-suffering skills of its playerbase.


Yes, it's rather ironic isn't it. I mean they said the reason they wouldn't give more LP for kills is because it could be abused and farmed. Umm Derp a Durrr.. Roll
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#71 - 2012-12-27 15:47:50 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

1. Before you guys joined it was so much worse you really shouldn't complain about it now.

debatable
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
2. Stop being so bad and you won't have to replace that many ships. Maybe stop throwing faction fits around, i heard that lowers the cost significantly.

you have numbers (iron blobside can fleet more than the entire amarr militia combined in their TZ. LNA can fleet at least equal size during their TZ)
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
3. Before you joined you could've read up on FW and chose the right side if you're only in it for the money.

lol
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Generally, stop whining. Things will even out again. There was a time when the Amarr kicked the crap out of us with nothing we could do. It changed since then, it will change again. The Amarr actually have the numbers, they just need to use em now.

was because amarr had numbers

FW is fine. amarr just lacks numbers. minmatar lacks the desire for gfs. CCP can't really do anything to make minmatar grow a pair or amarr recruit better people.

So bitter.

I love it.

pew pew
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#72 - 2012-12-27 17:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
errrr MRA will u make ur mind up first u talk about the old style of plexing i say that suits u lot fine just after downtime... then its you who gos onbout gunless frigs upto a few months ago so i counter that by saying u could do the same, you say u couldnt but then say oh sorry yes we could but i remember the good old days(like some bitter vet). your comments are going round in circles and as for saying we`ll tell these youngsters iv seen every change and incarnation so please enlighten me more with ur drivvel and stop trying to make me look a fool because it wont wash sir its u whos looking the fool right now

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#73 - 2012-12-27 21:39:40 UTC
Gunship wrote:
Happy to fight for the Amarr side. However the number games and the LP bonus does make it silly.

I totally get the M side, great LP and SFI's for the taking.

The SFI for FW is far better than the Omen. The Amarr frig is useless.

I continually find we have to stack up against the other side outnumbered and out shipped.

Today ill put an alt in M and then plex until all systems are taken, then perhaps I can fly out in a SFI too.

The tier system should be dropped and the system level removed. Make x systems blue and x systems red, then let the pvp begin. The sides with the fewest active pilots in space get the most LP that should even the sides nicely.


There was some economic balance with the original inferno rollout but the changes that happened on october 22nd totally removed all prospects of economic balance.

This was addressed in depth with hans in the devs features and ideas thread. Hans decided that it would be ok to kill off all economic balances because he thought all the pvpers would prefer to fight for the side that offers less money. I guess some people are still wondering if most people will choose more money or less money. So we can continue to wait.

-Cearain's alt.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#74 - 2012-12-27 21:42:09 UTC
BrutalButFair wrote:
Maybe it's mentioned, maybe it's me. But when a militia takes all oposing systems, what's there to farm? Without plexes no farming right?


They can plex for their ally or run missions or run defensive plexes. If their enemy is foolish enough to play a game where the enemy gets 1 isk for every 2 isk then the enemy might even be foolish enough to flip a system and feed them.

-Cearain's alt
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#75 - 2012-12-27 23:21:19 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Here is what happens:

The losers trim the fat. Complainers. Defeatists. People who refuse to fly 'x' ship or get in a plex at all. They head for the door. Those that are left are committed to winning and are open to new ideas and teamwork. The remnants get more organized and that organization in turn attracts new blood.

The winners struggle to keep it together. Individual pilots who want 'gudfights' may defect for the opposition. People get bored and log in less frequently. An influx of farmers garners resentment. Internal wardecs poisons the militia. Whole corps or even alliances might quit to greener pastures.


It's easy to make such comments and ignore the facts. You can always say yeah its gonna happen "soon." But do you mind if I ask how long this process is supposed to take? Or will you never admit that the system is simply bad?

Under the current mechanics people who want to do the play the sov warfare thing in faction war have 2 choices:

1) plex for more money
or
2) plex for less money

It seems to me that people convincingly chosen option 1 since may 22nd.

So when are we going to see amarr with 50 systems and Minmatar with only 20?

-Cearain's alt
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#76 - 2012-12-28 15:15:22 UTC
Winning @ factional warfare means nothing. Hmm! I suppose isk; but guess what? You can make alot of isk in low sec without being in factional warfare. Why cant a loser still make isk? Because they're lazy? I suppose its easier to complain and whine.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#77 - 2012-12-28 20:40:50 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Winning @ factional warfare means nothing. Hmm! I suppose isk; but guess what? You can make alot of isk in low sec without being in factional warfare. Why cant a loser still make isk? Because they're lazy? I suppose its easier to complain and whine.



Its actually easier to make isk at 2xs the rate by joining the winning side. Thats pretty much what we have been seeing for the last 7 months. Especially the last 2 months when they removed the slight economic balances that existed in inferno.

Faction war means nothing because we know what you have to do to win it, and it is not an activity that has much merit. The side that can spend the most hours of their lives hiding and plexxing is not admired.

-Cearains Alt
Dan Carter Murray
#78 - 2012-12-29 00:35:08 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

So bitter.
I love it.

about what?

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-12-29 00:49:35 UTC
I am willing to bet that deep down inside there is an adorable little boy.

I feel your pain. Hang in there!
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#80 - 2012-12-29 01:18:50 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Here is what happens:

The losers trim the fat. Complainers. Defeatists. People who refuse to fly 'x' ship or get in a plex at all. They head for the door. Those that are left are committed to winning and are open to new ideas and teamwork. The remnants get more organized and that organization in turn attracts new blood.

The winners struggle to keep it together. Individual pilots who want 'gudfights' may defect for the opposition. People get bored and log in less frequently. An influx of farmers garners resentment. Internal wardecs poisons the militia. Whole corps or even alliances might quit to greener pastures.


It's easy to make such comments and ignore the facts. You can always say yeah its gonna happen "soon." But do you mind if I ask how long this process is supposed to take? Or will you never admit that the system is simply bad?

Under the current mechanics people who want to do the play the sov warfare thing in faction war have 2 choices:

1) plex for more money
or
2) plex for less money

It seems to me that people convincingly chosen option 1 since may 22nd.

So when are we going to see amarr with 50 systems and Minmatar with only 20?

-Cearain's alt




You still have more forum posts than VPs.

- DCM's alt