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worth living in hs static?
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Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-27 10:45:20 UTC
hello, im not a begginer in eve, i lived lot of time in null sec and now me and some corpmates decided to move in a wormhole. All of my mates lived in WH before, but im not, my doubt is, we negotiating a c3 with hs static and rorqual and carriers but worth living in HS static? In a HS static don’t have people passing all time? Or its possible t scout the wh exits and ratting in peace?
Bruce Bayne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-27 11:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bruce Bayne
Heyho, first of all... in eve everything is possible, and if you scan out all in and outgoing wormholes and put scouts on the important ones/ all of them, then you can rat relatively "save"

I lived as a wh "beginner" also in a c3 hs static.... and it was...well...meh.... you cant roll your static to rat in other wormholes, so if you run out of sites....you dont have anything to do....for weeks sometimes.
then there is the problem, that most wh people live in c2-c6 with c3 statics, so alotlotlot wormholes will be opened to you and your wormhole will be used as a highway for stronger people bringing their loot out and stuff in.

and if it is like that you can either try to kill them with trapbubbles, but that is only recommended if you really have the manpower and money.
or you watch them using your hs static and you cant do anything about it and have to sit it out.

a lot of new wh players settle in c3 static hs, because of the highsec static and they are mostly not occupied (by strong forces) . ( with a reason^^)

if you want to try out wormholes with a small corp with less than 5 active players you want to try c1 or c2 wormholes.
the bestwould be a c2 with static hs and c3 so you could rat 23/7 if you want.
(but weak corps tend to get "removed" from souch wormholes :P )

if you have about 5 acitve players and more try a c4 static c3. they are mostly empty and pvp players dont care much about them.

gl and have fun getting killed alot in w-space ;)
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-27 11:22:01 UTC
aply in a WH alliance like talocan united or other like that helps to keep safety in wspace?
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-27 11:26:26 UTC
Ratting in peace is perharps a bit hard. You will always have the possibilties of incoming wormholes with possible gankes but that is true for every wormhole class :-)

If your static highsec leads to a somewhat empty place, chances are that you don't will see much traffic at all.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-12-27 11:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
All you want to do is shoot sleepers?

Then take a wormhole static because you can shoot more in there. Obviously there are no w-space statics for C3. There will be plenty of traffic for your high-sec wormhole.

K-space is easy to find if you are a capable scanner. They are abundant in my opinion.

As for building caps in a sub-C5 WH... no idea but I hear it's a lot of logistics. That or mining.

The Guns of Knowledge 
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-27 11:40:02 UTC
final objective is ratting, PI and maybe some mining. dont want lot of pvp im leaving null sec for that. we can be hard in pvp if needed but its not our primary goal tis time.
Tiger Armani
End-Game
#7 - 2012-12-27 11:51:10 UTC
Just collapse your static before doing sites/mining.

Scan the new spawned wh, but don't activate.

Do sites/mining while having probes out.
If new signature appears, always assume the worst --> that it is a K162 to your system.
Hathrul
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-12-27 12:05:25 UTC
just find a system with a static that you want to farm. so in your case anything static c3. a C4 with stat c3 is probebly easiest and cheapest to get, and with a static c3 youll have easy acces to empire as well.

as for joining an alliance, it doesnt give you much safety. for one because you apparently want your own wormhole, so the rest of the alliance isnt there to back you up. And also because people will attack pve fleets regardless, in or outside a home system
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#9 - 2012-12-27 13:40:38 UTC
As mentioned above, collapse the static highsec and then don't scan down the new one - the k162 side won't open and you can rat in relative safety - you still won't know for sure if anyones lurking and always the chance someone will open to you - but you can monitor sigs to manage the risk there.
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#10 - 2012-12-27 14:58:20 UTC
Doesn't matter what class WH you live in.

If you want to farm it is about your static. Pick a Static you can handle doing all the anoms, radars and mags. Make sure you know how to roll the static in a timely manner and you have the manpower to do it quickly.

If you have 5 active players you can do any WH site. Just use the right ships and have the correct skills and pay attention to the effects. Use scouts. Have a scout drop a probe and constantly check for new sigs. Because anyone can open into you at any time.

You will die! I A moment of not paying attention is all it takes.

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#11 - 2012-12-27 15:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Jackson
If we're dropping knowledge (and I'm not entirely sure why I'm being nice)...A C4-C3 is where you want to be.

1) You get to farm C3 sites.
2) You live in a C4. Sites are more difficult for just a little more money, but it prepares you for the move to C5 space. Not only this but C4s are less inhabited and rolled into less from major players. C4s are the backwater of w-space, no one pays attention to them for long. You'll be slightly safer than in a C3.
3) You get access to HS whenever you want it.

Expounding on #3...you can roll your C3 static to get a HS. 25% of C3's have a HS static, so its just a matter of rolling whenever you want to do logistics. With even a slightly active corp of 20-50 total this should be possible very regularly.

So yeah. Any corp that is not comprised of people in T1 cruisers and BCs should start off in a C4-C3, especially if you're actually looking to become a WH person and live the life. If you're a beginner corp of newbies or you are just interested in PI or industry, then maybe living in a C1-C3 might be worthwhile.
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-27 17:01:07 UTC
thank you all!

ill talk with my mates and look for a c4>c3 with features we want (rorqual e etc.).
Cavilha
Tupy Industries
#13 - 2012-12-27 19:22:02 UTC
If you are a corporation has more than 5 active members and carriers can fly.

I advise you to go for a C4. Well quieter and will pay a lot more money.

For example a C4 with static C3 or C2
But remember that C4 is not like going solo.
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-27 19:29:56 UTC
Cavilha wrote:
If you are a corporation has more than 5 active members and carriers can fly.

I advise you to go for a C4. Well quieter and will pay a lot more money.

For example a C4 with static C3 or C2
But remember that C4 is not like going solo.


you cant solo anomalies even with with a carrier in c4?
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-28 00:47:42 UTC
you can solo an anomoly with a carrier in a c4 but if you got a carrier you may aswell do C5's and make alot more isk.

take a c5/c3 c5 for group farming ops and c3's for when you are solo or just need a k-space. also once you left k-space you wont miss it, i go k-space less than once every 10-14 days. why would you need to go there all the time?

the only reason to live in a c4 is because they are so deserted, nowon lives in them because they suck. sleepers cant be solo'd except by cap ships, their statics are horrible to collapse when you want because most of them are 2bil and you cant use cap ships (2 bil is 8 battleship jumps which is alot with 5 minute polarity)

id definatly go for c5 with c3/c2/c1 static but c3 is better since they give more isk if your going to farm you static.

get c5> c2 if you want better access to k-space and more ganks than a c3.

also c5's have better ladars / gravs aparently but i cant confirm this myself
Spheranzinne
Color of Violence
#16 - 2012-12-28 01:10:41 UTC
If you're at your first wh adventure, hs static its a must i would say. No matter how many guides you read or advice you take, when setting the things up in your wh you'll end up with a bunch of "essentials" u forgot to bring. So til you get the hang of it, hisec static is a bliss. But that would make ratting harder cause you'll dry the hole in a week's time and you'll have to wait for wandering holes or k162s to spawn for farming. A hisec static is perfect for a industrial corp that has a lot of hauling to do. The w-space statics however favour the ratting part of wh life. If not sure, choose a C2, two statics, both to k and w-space, but really small for the needs of a 5+ corp.
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#17 - 2012-12-28 02:33:31 UTC
Spheranzinne wrote:
If you're at your first wh adventure, hs static its a must i would say. No matter how many guides you read or advice you take, when setting the things up in your wh you'll end up with a bunch of "essentials" u forgot to bring. So til you get the hang of it, hisec static is a bliss. But that would make ratting harder cause you'll dry the hole in a week's time and you'll have to wait for wandering holes or k162s to spawn for farming. A hisec static is perfect for a industrial corp that has a lot of hauling to do. The w-space statics however favour the ratting part of wh life. If not sure, choose a C2, two statics, both to k and w-space, but really small for the needs of a 5+ corp.


This is a good example of earnest advice that's horrible if you take it at face value.
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#18 - 2012-12-28 03:00:23 UTC
Gradur Dohr wrote:
hello, im not a begginer in eve, i lived lot of time in null sec and now me and some corpmates decided to move in a wormhole. All of my mates lived in WH before, but im not, my doubt is, we negotiating a c3 with hs static and rorqual and carriers but worth living in HS static? In a HS static don’t have people passing all time? Or its possible t scout the wh exits and ratting in peace?


Mate, you'll be fine!

As a beginner it would be good for you to keep that easy kspace connection. Just make sure you keep a scout on the hisec wormhole when you start sites.

C3 sites are quite good money and you can do a squad warp off (except radars &mags due to scramers) if you get visitors come through your hisec.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-28 03:42:44 UTC
Spheranzinne wrote:
If you're at your first wh adventure, hs static its a must i would say. No matter how many guides you read or advice you take, when setting the things up in your wh you'll end up with a bunch of "essentials" u forgot to bring. So til you get the hang of it, hisec static is a bliss. But that would make ratting harder cause you'll dry the hole in a week's time and you'll have to wait for wandering holes or k162s to spawn for farming. A hisec static is perfect for a industrial corp that has a lot of hauling to do. The w-space statics however favour the ratting part of wh life. If not sure, choose a C2, two statics, both to k and w-space, but really small for the needs of a 5+ corp.


except every c2 is occupied even black holes and OP is cap capable
Gradur Dohr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-28 10:18:23 UTC
thanks again for all of you!

its funny that after some ears in this game you can see that o lot of thing you should learn and im liking this new adventure in wh.

just one (stupid) question, whats the best fighter to use in wh?
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