EVE General Discussion

of course I don't. I'm captain Obviously Contradicting Walking-pants! nice to meet you.


but I'll do you a favor.

here's how things evolved:

back in 2003 people in nullsec demanded infrastructure, saying hisec was better so CCP gave them conquerables. That wasn't enough, so it came Exodus and POS'es! Yay finally I can setup my starbase! But that still wasn't enough, so let's get tools to remove them! Tadaa! dreadnaughts! Dreadnaughts are too powerful! We want moar caps! Here have some carriers! oh and outposts too and the ability to claim sovereignty! But that's not enough, let's give you motherships and titans! and a superweapon too! But logistics are hard! Okay have some jumpgates!

then clusterfucks happened and CCP started nerfing these things down.

This is not the first I have seen this and it probably won't be the last time. Phrase like this have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." Nothing at all.

You can't remove Tiers EVE is a Sandbox, you can't make it easier and or harder to suicide gank EvE is a Sandbox, you can't add group based PvE EVE is a Sandbox, you can't have a mechanic or organize Y EVE is a Sandbox, you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox.

The word Sandbox has become a Dummy phrase in this game that people tack on to any position they hold like it has any meaning. The word has a meaning but at this rate 9 out of 10 players probably could not pick it out of a lineup.

It means non linear Gameplay. The phrase you just won EVE is a joke told when someone makes an impressive accomplishment because there is no real winning EVE. Your fleet decimates the enemy and takes out their Titans, do the credits role? No you did because of Epeen, because it was a challenge, because you wanted to defend your space, because you wanted to conquer theirs, because for the hell of it. Whatever the reason behind it you completed your goal, the game isn't over, you'll have to either maintain your goal or find a new one. There is no end to the game only accomplishments and failures.

That is the Sandbox, if you have beaten all the content of the game and won it isn't a Sandbox it is a linear game. It has nothing to do with the content unless beating that content beats the game, then you can say "if this game is a Sandbox why add X content."

Hopefully 8 out of 10 people now can know the definition of the game design they are so proud of.

but yes, I don't know what I'm talking about. I never did! I'm Grimpak! all I hear is voices telling me what to do!

I can guarantee you that the proletariat will still undock their retrievers and mackinaws and suck the same belts dry everyday and be parked endlessly in front of those ice chunks. Mission runners will still run the same missions over and over and over. The markets will keep on turning and life will go on.

Mackinaws, the endgame of EVE Online, as cold as the ice and as harsh as local chat.

and feels good brah.

veldspar fumes make you go higher than spiked quafe.

EVE isn't a sandbox yet. Buff exotic dancers to give lapdances.

Eve is a job, and those exotic dancers need to start working.

You need to train up your reading comprehension skills and/or understand first how UO worked. It had very similar aggression methods and the world was likewise divided into "safe" zones and unsafe ones. Anyone could attack anyone, anywhere, but in safe zones "unlawful" aggression was punished with a quick death. Sound familiar? You could be a crafter and never leave the safe zones, but everything else carried a risk of being "ganked". However, my main point is UO was not just a PvP game. It was much more and it's exactly what EVE needs to be too, in order to survive.

Yes you can force me to "PvP" in Highsec and I agree that ability should never be taken away from you. In fact, I think highsec currently is a very safe place and there is no need to increase its safety, nor is there a reason to bring those safety methods to low or null sec. You just need to realize there is and needs to be more to EVE than just PvP. Darkfall is a game that also has similar aggression methods and safe and unsafe areas, but it lacks any meaningful PvE content and is basically just a big FFA Full Loot PvP arena. It's not doing well. In fact, the creators just redesigned the whole game and are relaunching it early next year, adding more safe areas and stuff to do for players who don't enjoy PvP all the time.

Finally, I don't know where you got '"People enjoy doing missions" = missions are meaningful content, apparently.'. That's not what I said at all. I said that meaningful content should be sandbox content. It could be anything from people being able to build secret bases in high sec deadspace pockets, to giving tools for null players to make their Empires more worth living in and more organized. In fact, I really don't want to see more ready-canned PvE content such as Incursions in EVE. They are exactly the wrong direction for a sandbox game.

Hope I cleared things up for you a bit.

If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons,