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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Kaaii
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
#101 - 2012-12-26 22:41:09 UTC


I heard that before the boogie man goes to bed he looks under his bed for James 315.




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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
The Initiative.
#102 - 2012-12-26 22:45:03 UTC
There...did you see that? People playing a MMORPG....creating their own content by interacting...it is like in a...sandbox Shocked

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#103 - 2012-12-26 22:45:09 UTC
I'v always imagined James315 as someone who is too scared of CONCORD to gank miners.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Piugattuk
Saiyans United
Death from Above..
#104 - 2012-12-26 22:47:17 UTC
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Ginger Barbarella
#105 - 2012-12-26 23:14:36 UTC
killorbekilled TBE wrote:
Wait lemme go get my bucket, miner tears are selling for 1000 isk per unit in jita


Wow, that was origin---

Wait... no, it wasn't. Pretty lame, actually. I know, throw in another line about hull tanking and your embarassment should be complete.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Acac Sunflyier
The Dysfunctionals
Goonswarm Federation
#106 - 2012-12-26 23:47:13 UTC
I find this whole thing to be shallow and pedantic.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#107 - 2012-12-26 23:54:01 UTC
"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.

Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.

And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.
Lexmana
#108 - 2012-12-27 00:03:33 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.

Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.

And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.


here is your "evidence":

EVElopedia wrote:
Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

This tactic is most notably executed at POS bubbles, where capital ships or other slow-moving vessels in particular may be bumped away from the safety of a shield bubble so that they can be tackled and destroyed.


Note that bumping someone out of mining laser range from an asteroid is never mentioned, only alignment and docking, and take particular notice to the bolded part of the text.
Jake Salvator
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-12-27 00:04:04 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
3 pages already and nobody has realized that this Tolero Guard is the same Torarjan Collective that was featured in James' most recent blog post?

not your personal army, Mr. Salvator.


I've never denied that I offered assistance to the Tolero Guard - In fact, when I was asked to build them a website - I did so.

But, this movement was going long before I knew who James315 was.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#110 - 2012-12-27 00:08:37 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.

Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.

And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.


Nope, I can't see the bumpers and gankers disappearing any time soon, Why? because from what I can see they're having a huge amount of fun running a mini Hulkageddon. I have a vested interest in them continuing for a long time to come, thanks to them producing a huge demand for ships, modules and rigs I'm making Isk hand over fist, from both sides of the equation.

Without destruction, there is no profit.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#111 - 2012-12-27 00:11:27 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
"Redeem yourself"? That rhetoric is very New Order.

Have fun. Although I agree that miner bumping is a form of griefing, as evidenced by the Evelopedia entry "Bump Griefing", I find the New Order to be an incredibly harmless travelling sideshow of roleplayers.

And the sooner people stop giving them attention, the sooner they will dis-a-mappear.


Nope, I can't see the bumpers and gankers disappearing any time soon, Why? because from what I can see they're having a huge amount of fun running a mini Hulkageddon. I have a vested interest in them continuing for a long time to come, thanks to them producing a huge demand for ships, modules and rigs I'm making Isk hand over fist, from both sides of the equation.

Without destruction, there is no profit.

How harsh and cold.

Just like EVE Online.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#112 - 2012-12-27 00:20:15 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

How harsh and cold.

Just like EVE Online.


I think of it as fulfilling market demand, it's just good business sense Lol I'll quite happily take money from both sides of the argument, and then lol in local at all the tears while the Isk just keeps rolling into my wallet

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#113 - 2012-12-27 00:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Mira Robinson wrote:
...and the best miners are good at either fighting back, or docking and waiting it out, whilst thanking the Amarrian gods for offline leveling.

Or they are just clever and quietly go about their business completely undisturbed.

Just before you ask: No, I've never paid anything to the New Order.

Oh, I forgot: Another one of these entertainting threads Lol...

Remove standings and insurance.

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#114 - 2012-12-27 00:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexus Day
I think Jonah is confused about what the New Order does. Bumping doesn't destroy anything so it is not the equivalent or in the realm of Hulkageddon.

As for James and his crew, plenty of sabre rattling but they aren't there to fight anyone. The key to extort someone is that they have to be there to extort. Blowing people up would seem a bit counterproductive.

My guess is this is some publicity/scam. By all means join up and give the OP isk if you feel like it.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#115 - 2012-12-27 00:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nexus Day wrote:
I think Jonah is confused about what the New Order does. Bumping doesn't destroy anything so it is not the equivalent or in the realm of Hulkageddon.

As for James and his crew, plenty of sabre rattling but they aren't there to fight anyone. The key to extort someone is that they have to be there to extort. Blowing people up would seem a bit counterproductive.

My guess is this is some publicity/scam. By all means join up and give the OP isk if you feel like it.


Actually no I'm not confused at all, bumping is a small part of what they do, they also do an awful lot of ganking, for reference look up the amount of mining vessels killed in Brapelille in the last 2 days, also look up those types of kills in, and around, Kamio and Osmon for the last month, that's mostly the New Order bringing their own particular form of Justice to miners. If they were only bumping they wouldn't have destroyed circa 80b isk of mining vessels in the last month. You sir need to keep up.

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Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-12-27 00:51:13 UTC
I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts.

I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old.What?

Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement.

Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner. Evil
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#117 - 2012-12-27 01:00:04 UTC
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:
I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts.

I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old.What?

Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement.

Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner. Evil

They're not disposable, just using dedicated new alts.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#118 - 2012-12-27 01:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:
I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts.

I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old.What?

Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement.

Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner. Evil


Month old alt != disposable alt, the more likely scenario is that they have an alt that is specifically for ganking, it's not particularly hard to indefinitley run around hisec with a -10 bright red alt, and it doesn't burn your main. Many players have dedicated alts for just such a purpose, me included.

E: Alavaria beat me to the punch.

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Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#119 - 2012-12-27 01:03:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:
I seen a dev say the majority werent using disposable alts.

I then see 15 of these cats in local goin on about this James 317 dude and every last one of them was less than a month old.What?

Its sad when grief is allowed with dev approval and encouragement.

Whole topic makes me sad, Then i remember im not a miner. Evil

Month old alt != disposable alt, the more likely scenario is that they have an alt that is specifically for ganking, it's not particularly hard to indefinitley run around hisec with a -10 bright red alt, and it doesn't burn your main. Many players have dedicated alts for just such a purpose, me included.

E: Alavaria beat me to the punch.

Dedicated to ganking <3 Keep up the good work guys.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg
Doomheim
#120 - 2012-12-27 01:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg
Mira Robinson wrote:
I find it a bit funny how the most prominent, vocal anti-casual, anti-miners are always from across the pond.

But for people who thrive on drama and tears (there are pilots on both sides) have to know that ganker and PvP'er tears don't come in as obvious a form as PvE and 'carebear' tears. You have to look a bit deeper. Like Mallak's forum sig. He's clearly crying that casuals are taking up his highsec.



Bet you wont come over the pond and say it to my face. Yeah, Thats right. Your to busy "tending" to your sheep.