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Bounty Scamming?!

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Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#21 - 2012-12-26 20:34:28 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:


You people need to start reading dev blogs.


Yea, because no one would tell you otherwise... o.O

You know, this is a forum and so on, people use it to post stuff and so on...
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2012-12-26 20:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Taipion wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:


You people need to start reading dev blogs.


Yea, because no one would tell you otherwise... o.O

You know, this is a forum and so on, people use it to post stuff and so on...

Usually in a thread like this the OP would only need to be told once where all of the pertinent infomation was located.

The original blog mentioned they were taking steps to make it much more difficult to manipulate the system as it was done when they originally launched this concept in FW. Comments made in various Dev posts (referring to both the FW system and the revised Bounty system) have mentioned better monitoring techniques to keep an eye on this type of activity, and that attempts to manipulate prices to milk this system would be viewed as an exploit.

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Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#23 - 2012-12-26 22:19:18 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
The original blog mentioned they were taking steps to make it much more difficult to manipulate the system as it was done when they originally launched this concept in FW. Comments made in various Dev posts (referring to both the FW system and the revised Bounty system) have mentioned better monitoring techniques to keep an eye on this type of activity, and that attempts to manipulate prices to milk this system would be viewed as an exploit.


Well, as I partly read some of those DevBlogs, and information is scattered on many of them...

Anyway, I wonder how they will be able to "protect" this system, it basically cant work that way, there will always be a hole, and as some others posted here, its still exploitable as it was.
CaiIyn Dove
DMoney Corp
#24 - 2012-12-26 23:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: CaiIyn Dove
Taipion wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
The original blog mentioned they were taking steps to make it much more difficult to manipulate the system as it was done when they originally launched this concept in FW. Comments made in various Dev posts (referring to both the FW system and the revised Bounty system) have mentioned better monitoring techniques to keep an eye on this type of activity, and that attempts to manipulate prices to milk this system would be viewed as an exploit.


Well, as I partly read some of those DevBlogs, and information is scattered on many of them...

Anyway, I wonder how they will be able to "protect" this system, it basically cant work that way, there will always be a hole, and as some others posted here, its still exploitable as it was.


And bannable like escaping from concord,rmts and botting.

Not a good way to save face for didnt read the dev though.Big smile
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
The Watchmen.
#25 - 2012-12-27 01:04:05 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Usually in a thread like this the OP would only need to be told once where all of the pertinent infomation was located.

The original blog mentioned they were taking steps to make it much more difficult to manipulate the system as it was done when they originally launched this concept in FW. Comments made in various Dev posts (referring to both the FW system and the revised Bounty system) have mentioned better monitoring techniques to keep an eye on this type of activity, and that attempts to manipulate prices to milk this system would be viewed as an exploit.

Just that there's no manipulation going on here.
I checked the market myself just after Retribution (because I accidently bountied a friend) and found a few items that had some price spikes in the past e.g. cause people accidently set up too high buy orders or such. Altho most of these items are only available in too small numbers to make it worthwhile.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#26 - 2012-12-27 01:04:46 UTC
Taipion wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
The original blog mentioned they were taking steps to make it much more difficult to manipulate the system as it was done when they originally launched this concept in FW. Comments made in various Dev posts (referring to both the FW system and the revised Bounty system) have mentioned better monitoring techniques to keep an eye on this type of activity, and that attempts to manipulate prices to milk this system would be viewed as an exploit.


Well, as I partly read some of those DevBlogs, and information is scattered on many of them...

Anyway, I wonder how they will be able to "protect" this system, it basically cant work that way, there will always be a hole, and as some others posted here, its still exploitable as it was.


If you wonder, why not read up on the subject instead of taking the word of one random forum poster?

Your original assumptions were wrong in your OP because you never read the devblogs, any chance your new assumptions might be wrong for the same reasons?

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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#27 - 2012-12-27 03:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
masternerdguy wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.



Eeh and get banned.

CCP said that anyone who found neat tricks like that was doing an exploit.


I expect trying to manipulate the Pend insurance price (which is what the bounty payout is based on) would be an exploit. But given how prices vary in the market on a day to day basis there will always be items that are more cost effective for clearing an undesired bounty than others. Last I checked the Shadow Serpentis brass tag was so good you could actually make money off your own bounty. I expect that will change. Either the market will adjust, or CCP will adjust the Pend estimate.

But there will always be items that are better than others for bounty clearing. Over time there may not be any so good as to allow you to make money, but there will always be some that minimize the loss.

In any case, if you had some Shadow Serpentis brass tags you could make a net 40K blowing yourself up, or more by selling them to the right buyer. Trying to make isk off your own bounty is a inefficient way to make money.

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Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#28 - 2012-12-27 08:58:15 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I expect trying to manipulate the Pend insurance price (which is what the bounty payout is based on) would be an exploit. But given how prices vary in the market on a day to day basis there will always be items that are more cost effective for clearing an undesired bounty than others.


Exactly, but is it considered an exploit if I just take advantage of it, without manipulating the price myself?
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2012-12-27 10:18:44 UTC
Locking this thread as, per the Dev Blog, there is no intended way for you to make a profit by collecting your own bounty. Discussion of means to circumvent that is thus discussion of possible exploits. Don't do it.

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