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Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#1 - 2012-12-26 14:59:23 UTC
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#2 - 2012-12-26 15:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-26 15:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: tgl3
Can't cash in bounties like the old system.

Bounty is now paid out as a percentage of a loss (like 20%) so you'll never make the full ISK back that you lose in getting yourself blown up.

Also, what the OP posted still wouldn't be a scam.
Additionally, people are putting 100k bounties on everyone just for laughs due to the initial hilarity. Some other people also got really mad about it, thus causing more people to do it.
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#4 - 2012-12-26 15:11:34 UTC
tgl3 wrote:
Can't cash in bounties like the old system.

Bounty is now paid out as a percentage of a loss (like 20%) so you'll never make the full ISK back that you lose in getting yourself blown up.

Also, this still would't be a scam.


Yea, not a "scam" exactly, though, getting free ISK from people one way or another is what I'd call a scam! ;)

So why do people do that, if it does not pay out?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2012-12-26 15:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-26 15:14:30 UTC
Taipion wrote:
tgl3 wrote:
Can't cash in bounties like the old system.

Bounty is now paid out as a percentage of a loss (like 20%) so you'll never make the full ISK back that you lose in getting yourself blown up.

Also, this still would't be a scam.


Yea, not a "scam" exactly, though, getting free ISK from people one way or another is what I'd call a scam! ;)

So why do people do that, if it does not pay out?



They think it's pirate to have a high bounty.

Rawr, Pirate

No
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-26 15:17:35 UTC
Taipion wrote:
tgl3 wrote:
Can't cash in bounties like the old system.

Bounty is now paid out as a percentage of a loss (like 20%) so you'll never make the full ISK back that you lose in getting yourself blown up.

Also, this still would't be a scam.


Yea, not a "scam" exactly, though, getting free ISK from people one way or another is what I'd call a scam! ;)

So why do people do that, if it does not pay out?

Edited my post a bit, but people are getting bounty upon them for several reasons:
1) Random bounties (see my post about hilarity)
2) "Friends" trying to get each other killed/hunted more
3) Genuinely trying to get you killed by incentivizing your destruction.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#8 - 2012-12-26 15:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.


Heya Vincent. Smile

You go right ahead sir, let us know how that works out for you.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#9 - 2012-12-26 15:26:45 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

Shadow Serpentis brass tag
Pend insurance valuation: 400K
Bounty payout: 80K
Jita high buy: 40K



Heya Vincent. Smile

You go right ahead sir, let us know how that works out for you.

Tested on an alt. It works.

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Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-26 15:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.



One should count only the value of hull. To implement a system that counts hold content and modules when we already know that players are manipulating the value of certain modules from Inferno is a fudge half done. What?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-26 15:47:00 UTC
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


In the time you took to write this you could have read the patch notes.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#12 - 2012-12-26 15:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
CCP put in some sort of safety against manipulation. But it turns out the player driven market does it for you. All you got to do is find items that the market has under-valued in its normal ebb and flow. The trick is the Pend insurance value is not the same as the value shown at the bottom right of the inventory window. The only way I know to find the pend insurance value is to blow up a ship.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#13 - 2012-12-26 15:51:48 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

Shadow Serpentis brass tag
Pend insurance valuation: 400K
Bounty payout: 80K
Jita high buy: 40K



Heya Vincent. Smile

You go right ahead sir, let us know how that works out for you.

Tested on an alt. It works.


Wise not to test it on your main. You know they are checking specifically for this sort of thing.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#14 - 2012-12-26 15:54:17 UTC
I bounty people I don't like. Then I get a warm fuzzy feeling every time I get a notification that they died. It makes me happy.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#15 - 2012-12-26 18:27:46 UTC
> kill your alt in hisec
> alt gets killrights
> make alt's killrights on you available
> set the price to several hundred million isk according to as high as you want it to be

if you do not have a bounty:
> place a bounty on yourself with your alt.

> place yourself outside a busy tradehub station in either of the 5 largest trade hubs: Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, Hek. make sure you're in a ship that's rather cheap but big enough for people to want to kill you.

profit! Cool
(a stupid guy should pass by eventually)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2012-12-26 18:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
> kill your alt in hisec
> alt gets killrights
> make alt's killrights on you available
> set the price to several hundred million isk according to as high as you want it to be

if you do not have a bounty:
> place a bounty on yourself with your alt.

> place yourself outside a busy tradehub station in either of the 5 largest trade hubs: Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, Hek. make sure you're in a ship that's rather cheap but big enough for people to want to kill you.

profit! Cool
(a stupid guy should pass by eventually)

That's rather the best part of the system, it can be used by either side. One would think that the first thing a person would do is check to see how expensive the kill right is, and if it made sense to purchase it... but fortunately there is no shortage of truly stupid people in EvE.

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Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#17 - 2012-12-26 20:24:44 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


In the time you took to write this you could have read the patch notes.


...and I would have surely missed something.

Thanks for all the (helpful^^) replies!

Though I wonder why it includes items in you cargo hold, I remember some exploit with FW that should have told CCP how vulnerable this is...
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-12-26 20:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.




Eeh and get banned.

CCP said that anyone who found neat tricks like that was doing an exploit.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#19 - 2012-12-26 20:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
masternerdguy wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.




Eeh and get banned.

CCP said that anyone who found neat tricks like that was doing an exploit.


Really?! Any proof?!
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-26 20:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Taipion wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Hey,

I just saw that some of my chars, even alts that no one ever sees, got a bounty on them, always the minimum 100k.

Not that I could not care less, but I looked at who gave those bountys, and all of them had a rather high bounty themself, and as I looked again after a few days, it did rise on them by a fair amount.

Looks like many people put minimum bountys on random people to get bounty on themself in return, so they can kill themself with a alt and cash it in.

How does bounty payout work now?
(I just skimmed it in the patch notes, as I dont care for bounty in general.)


You can't make a profit killing yourself for the bounty anymore.
Read the Dev Blog about it for details.

Actually you can

*snipped* - Do not post possible exploits on the forums.




Eeh and get banned.

CCP said that anyone who found neat tricks like that was doing an exploit.


Really?! Any proof?!


You people need to start reading dev blogs.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
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