Science & Industry

All the butt hurt people complaining about the changes to PI are like people complaining that it isn't fair that they can't claim sov or mine the good moons in 0.0 solo or that they missed the t2 BPO lotteries.

It is all conjecture that this will be a pain in the ass for the solo player. There is a lot of space out there. Also, are you all expecting that they will leave it at this and not further change and evolve the whole thing? This is the whole point of DUST more or less in relation to EVE. There will be lots of opportunities for solo players to get a piece.

People with a brain, solo players with a brain, will realize that this is a great opportunity to both make money and have more rewarding game play. The game evolves and improves and changes. Sometimes you may find that the change is not to your liking, there is still a crap tonne of stuff to do otherwise. Deal wiz it.

No one controls low sec. That is the beauty of it.

The OP is right and the same applies to small corps too.

The only thing this really does is allow for setting up a big 'kick me' sign in low sec, and there are always people willing to do that.

0.0 and WH, fine, why should there be COs there already. But low sec which is supposed to be controlled by a faction (at least to some extent) that faction would give up tax rights and sit back to watch people blowing these things up. Might as well start calling low sec 0.0 without the sov system and protections that apply.

High Sec tax I don't like (who does like taxes) but my corp move to a low sec pos and PI is now on hold as the choice of multiple planatray launches or launching at least half a bill worth of kick me signs does not appeal.

I'll get there, it will just take longer, as long as CCP don't bring in more barriers

You are not very proficient in history, right? Prospectors were always private companies.

Yes, but the problem is that only ONE can be anchored PER PLANET. Which means that the more valuble planets are going to host an exceptionally larger amount of killmails... i.e. camps, roamers deciding to get a few custom office kills, and/or entire goddamn wars.

PI is now going to be on par with the contesting for moon resources. Granted, ther are a lot more planets of one type that moons with one type of material in them, but still.

Lowsec will now become closer in intensity (in terms of territorial fighting) as nullsec, but in terms of profitability against missions in highsec or ratting in nullsec will still be far inferior. So, lowsec will now become a purely industrial venture.

The solo player is not going to be able to do lowsec PI anymore.

Say they somehow manage to get their hands on a Customs Office BPC and all the materials, and they build it, and claim a planet and work their PI.

A few days later, a local corp or alliance blows it up and puts their own in. A few days later, another corp or allaince does the same thing. And then Goonswarm flies through and blows up all the offices in the system for LOLs.

Repeat.

If the Incursion/Faction Warfare requirement didn't exist, I'd be more OK with this. At least the Customs Offices would be more easily replenishable. However, CCP is now forcing people to do things that didn't end up as awesome as they had hoped in order to simply keep POSs running.

It's unfair, to say the least.

This is a really really good point and illustrates a good understanding of what CCP is trying to do with CO.

They are trying to make them an asset in relation to PI that you have to protect. Essentially, by interacting with a planet you are "claiming it." Guess what? Claims have to be defended. Now, PI has player interaction if you want to really "claim" said planet.

However, as noted, you can still deploy stuff to space. You can still "ninja" PI materials. Have your manufacture planets in high sec and ninja out the base stuff you extract and react on the planet (P1 items i thin k?). Is it more difficult than current status quo? Absolutely. But now there is one more thing to "claim" in low sec. And unlike high end moons, planets are not so great that 0.0 alliances will be coming in and claiming all of them. Rather, low sec corporations/alliances will be able to claim/fight over them.

This is actually a damn good move on CCP's part.

Out of curiousity, how long will it take to setup and tear down a POCO? Will the cost of the POCO be low enough that it can just be added in as PI overhead on the balance sheets? And how likely is it that low-sec dwellers are the type to setup POCOs of their own in order to prevent a Planeteer from setting up a POCO just long enough to transport their PI goods out?

Well according to the devblog and the materials needed, the material costs are _currently_ at or about 70 million.
Plus the BPC, which you get in FW fo 10M or through CONCORD LP store 20M

It's not exactly the build and tear down item.

Also need to remember that the link capacity is being raised a lot. This could make single-planet P3 chains viable again - especially in Low. Been thinking about this a lot (as one of the disappointed folks), and will need to check SiSi soon, but I'm beginning to be swayed by the advantages here.

Consider, if you're only generating 150-200 P3 or so each day, that's still within one CC launch (and only needs a CovOps to get it out, not a BR). That's much more economical for the starting player than the larger scale Low PI being done today.

Will it be more dangerous? Oh hell yes. But nothing ventured, nothing gained...

No it isn't. It shows a lack of understanding of how PI works. For example, how can someone in an npc corp, for example, that has PI set up in a neighboring low sec system with no POCO at the planet now lauch materials TO the planet for further refining?