EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'm quite new, I started this game a year ago played for a week then quit due to real life stuff. Came back maybe a week ago I believe so yes I consider myself new.

Joined what I believed to be a newb friendly corp/alliance but I was severely disappointed by the way I was ignored, had a bit of a disagreement with a few people ( After all they flock together to pick on the new guy who doesn't know his way around ) and I left both the Corp and Chat.

Boom, 400k bounty on my head. Placed by some one quite high up I believe. And another added me to his watch list with a terrible standing.

100k on the guy that added me and 1 mil on the one who placed a bounty on me. Nothing more satisfying then getting a notification that your bounty has been collected.


Anyways, considering these corps are considered to be among the best out there to welcome newbies I'm surprised by how they treat some people who only want help.

/Rant over

I don't expect them to hold my hand, I asked a question 5 times only to be ignored despite them still talking too each other in fleet chat ( Not many was in the fleet so no excuse really ). Arguments then followed, I admit I got a tad annoyed but they were no better. And I left, I saw no reason for them to place bounty on me.

I get what you mean and I agree I was a tad angry so I said some things but honestly they were no better what so ever. The situation could of easily been resolved but neither side was willing to back down and accept blame. I'm not entirely bothered I burnt that bridge down, don't get me wrong the idea of RvB is great but the time I was there wasn't helpful and it really put me off.

Been trying to find a decent Newb friendly PvP corp for a while now, I found a decent corp but I don't believe I can contribute in my current state so still looking around to get that experience. Last resort I fend for myself and learn the hard way, Past few hours I've learnt some stuff that will prove valuable in the long run.

I too have heard great stories but as you maybe I joined at the wrong time, or maybe those stories are over exaggerated. It really doesn't take that long to reply to a question. Sadly at the time I was in a fleet but was away from the main group ( as I was a fair distance away ) they mentioned a place so I made my way there and the question I asked was a simple "Where is everyone at the moment?"

From my point of view the fleet boss has a responsibility to supply everyone in the fleet with information on where the fleet is heading and what we plan to do. But instead they leave a newbie alone with enemies every step of the way, it was either try to find them and risk finding some baddies or get away from the area and finding more enemies. If they had just taken a few seconds to tell me where they were I could of carefully made my way there and warped straight to them as soon as I entered the system.

Having been in RvB as a noob and leaving none the wiser to attempt to join EveUNI (where they told me I was too experienced ironically), I can say this.

1. It's a money drain, so it's pointless for noobs who look at 1m ISK and gawp.

2. You'll get some decent fleet action maybe once a month, otherwise it's "OMG their fleet is too big, everyone dock" or "I just talked to their FC and we're only bringing BC and smaller" before jumping into 12 battleships.

3. Ganked is awesome

4. Shed all sense of community. Asking RvB players for help is like asking random guys on the street for help, sometimes you'll ask an *******, sometimes you'll ask Jesus reincarnated, but every single time YOU are the one that went out on a limb to ask so don't get mad if the response you get is unfriendly. RvB is not a corp in the traditional sense, just an excuse to have lots of reds to shoot.

5. I recommend an actual school like EveUNI or a small corp that hangs in hi/losec. Why?

You won't get any training at how to solo in nullsec until your skills are adequate, and even then it's too hard to learn the basics when 99% of the guys you will encouter will either be very skilled or have a cyno.

You need corpmates to teach you how to generate ISK, and grinding for standings (to do higher earning missions) can be shortcut around if you tag along on someone else's high level missions.

You need contacts. Contacts count for a lot in EVE.

The thought that probably went through the FC's mind?

"SPAI!"

The FC doesn't need or should tell people that just joined the fleet EXACTLY where the fleet is at the moment. That's exactly how you welp fleets. In general, in my experience, FC gives orders, everyone else follows them.

This may be true of normal fleets, but RvB fleets are generally not concerned about spies. Serious RvBers openly keep alts in both corps, and the FCs on both sides usually have a running conversation going where they negotiate where they are going to fight and what sort of fleet comp they are bringing. There are only about a half dozen places where RvB fights happen anyway, and usually nothing is secret.

In this case, there is no reason the FC shouldn't have told you where the fleet was. Not having been there, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that there probably was some reason why he didn't answer you, but somebody probably should have.

I spent some time in RvB and had some good times there, but I would definitely say that they aren't really helpful to new players. Nor is it a good place to learn PvP skills, beyond the basics of managing your modules and overheating in a fight, as all PvP in RvB takes place in contrived situations which don't have any real parallel in EVE outside of RvB.

More like Emo-Rage-Quit.


Edit: Oh, and there is an option "fleetmembers in space" or something in the map filters.
I am pretty sure someone would have told you if wouldn´t have quit...

You said you were talking in fleet chat (as opposed to corporation chat)? There is a good chance that the fleet was not answering not because they didn't want to help, but because they were a little busy trying not to get themselves murdered horribly.

Getting into an argument as a new member is always a bad idea. Even if you are right, you are expendable. In EVE you are not entitled to anything, helpful advice or friendship notwithstanding. It might sound harsh, but to the corporation (especially if it's a corporation recruiting openly) you are just a random newbie mouthing off, until you prove yourself otherwise.

So take your time in whichever corp you join next, and understand that regardless of what the corporation info and recruitment posters say, nobody is sitting in EVE 24/7 just to answer (to them) trivial questions. I am sure they won't mind giving you some of their time, if you are also willing to give them time during other corp activities. (Or heck even joining them.)

Tbh everyone thinks that about noobs. It's a normal assumption made based on the fact that you aren't asking your 'RL friends or corp buddies that you actually made friends with' these questions and asking random people instead. Most people that play Eve wouldn't have slugged out the first few months (or years) in which they sucked if they hadn't found friends.

And trust me, you suck. :) You have very low skillpoints and probably haven't even made a decision of what you are going to fly let alone started skill training specifically for it. But I probably sucked just as much when my toon (character) was your age so don't worry about it. Everyone did. It's not even that rare for players to joke about how awful their first fits were.

When you start the game, there is a channel in your chat called "Rookie Chat" i think. Friendly people are in there 24/7 to answer simple questions as well as ISDs employed by CCP to make sure nobody steps out of line. That should be your first port of call for advice.