Ships & Modules

Yeah, Myrmidon with Large Armor Repairer has best active tank in the game: 144,9 hp/s
Most worrying is the fact that T2 LAR actually fits with 3% PG implant and "few" billion in officer mods.

[Myrmidon, Myrmidon fit]

Large Armor Repairer II
Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System
Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System
Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System
Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System
Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Can you prove Myrmidon has enough powergrid to fit guns, MWD, T2 LAR without using officer PDSs?

Medium sized armor repairers and shield boosters are frigate modules after all.

Then show us pvp Sleipnir with Medium Shield Booster II.

just take look at some numbers:


Tengu with Large SB, pve config: ~400ehp/s
Tengu with pith-c-type Large SB, pure rep-setup for c3 sites: ~1200ehp/s at 60% cap
^ this tengu with vulture-links, LG crystals and standard blue-pill: ~ 3800ehp/s at 60% cap

100MN Tengu with Large SB: ~350ehp/s or ~1000ehp/s with links

this an obscene shield tanker with a broken subsystem, so let's go down to the cyclone...
Cyclone with Large SB, cap-injected: ~340ehp/s
^ same with links etc. like tengu: ~ 900ehp/s


Now over to armorships:

Legion with TWO c-type reppers: ~500 ehp/s
^ same with damnation, exile, etc: ~1400ehp/s

Myrmidon with THREE MAR2s: ~480 ehp/s
^ same with all the **** in this world: ~1400ehp/s

so congratulations, you need to fill a couple slots with active modules to reach the effectiveness of a single Shield Booster. Not only is the overall repair amount a bit slower, but also the reaction times are quite NOT similiar. 2-4 seconds for a shieldbooster against 6-10 seconds for a armor repairer.

I think the only point speaking in favor of the active armor tanker is the fact that he can easily fit a lot of tackle. Also the fact that my Fleet stabber has to overload both armor reps to tank only the guns of a cynabal is a bit pathetic.



So yes, someone who really understands the game mechanics (like a dev or so) should draw conclusions about active tanking. Right now you either have links or you don't active tank.

Gosh, it's almost like CCP is encouraging us to have extra accounts for no good reason. But, they wouldn't do that! Would they?


Power of 2....

This tells me that your fitting isn't cap stable. Relying on booster charges is fine and dandy for PvP, because PvP fights are short. For PvE mission running it doesn't cut it all because PvE battles drag on. For those you need cap-stable constant armor repair... which is hard enough when using projectile weapons... now try doing it a cap-sucking Amarr ship for extra laughs.



And does this repair 400 per cycle or 400 per second? Because the shield tank version is healing 400 per second and requires no capacitor at all.

I know that name Good to see a familiar face.

I used 3 medium armour repairers in the old days, at least on the Myrmidon\Hyperion, didn't worry much about the tank of them then bud. Think it topped out at 2600-2700 dps on the Hyperion :)

You are probably right though, active tank 4tw :)

I would be genuinely shocked if 2009 was the first time this type of thread popped up.

Ok want to know the single biggest reason why active armor tank sucks? I could be off as it was in a galaxy far far away from this one so plz correct me of you happen to remember it more accuratly...

In (iirc) 2007/8 CCP wanted fights to last longer as to give a lone ratter time for his friends to show up and to improve general epic micky feel of pvp.

As such they, in all their wisdom, decided the best way to do this was by doubling or in some cases even almost tripple the hp numbers on all ships. This was offcourse the slippery slope that made buffer tanking mainstream and promoted blob warfare more than ever before. More hp on your target means indeed more time for his Friends to show up. Thus the easiest solution was to bring more firepower on your roams to cut down that survival time.
Now again ccp,in all their wisdom, didnt deem it neccesary to improve the rep amount on active tanking mods to go with the hp boost. Getting blobbed and having the same old rep amount against your new awesome hp numbers ofcourse made you fail misserably. It hasnt been fixed ever since. Search for Farjung video's on YouTube if you never saw what kind of nasty pain an active tanked vindicator could do (provided the pilot knew what the hell he was doing).

Medium ships and mods suffer from this the most since those ships got the biggest % in hp boost iirc.

we are getting a little off topic, yes a myrm works with reps, multiples of them, with its bonus.

everything else armor based with medium reps SUCKS, thats the point.

also remember the myrm can fit 3 because it actually has the spare grid, other ships do not.