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Doing everything, training everything.

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Taya Savah
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-12-24 23:46:00 UTC
Heya,

so like the title says, I like doing everything in EVE. Well not everything but a lot of things, I like to kind of cycle many of my activities around, I havent done PvP yet since I'm fresher than fresh noob, but I've done all the tutorials and I like most of it. I've done some mining, I like it when I dont feel like paying attention much, leaving me auto-mining (hi-sec) and using a lot of autopilot while hauling.

I also like missions and exploration. You can already see a problem here, I want to do everything equally, but a lot of people in these boards says "NO! >:O SPECIALIZE!" but I dont want to.

So what are the actual downsides of doing a lot of different things in one character since I am NOT going to open multiple accounts. I understand that it will be slow to train lots of different professions since I need to switch focus, like really slow, depending a bit on what I want to do and how much. But is there any real dowsides besides the time spent training? I really dont care about "not getting there fast enough" since I am not in a hurry to anywhere. I actually started playing EVE with the mindset that I am not going anywhere, but rather simply living in EVE and doing my thing.

I dont have to be the best in X in ANY given activity or deadline. I'm just playing and having fun. So, is there any game mechanical downside for me if I just want to do a bit of everything? I tried googling it but found only the "NO YOU MUST DEDICATE INTO ONE ROLE OR BUY MOAR ACCOUNTS! >:O" so I came to conclusion that the only downside is the eventually expensive clone after years of training (besides time)? :)
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-24 23:56:35 UTC
It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything.
Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on.
ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#3 - 2012-12-25 00:01:45 UTC
Honestly, if your goal is to simply have fun with no agenda, then you're doing great! You can specialize in areas if you'd like, and if you decide to go that route, there are plenty of avenues you can take whether asking corp/alliancemates, forums, or certificates.


Your call on how you want to play and it is great that you are enjoying the sandbox!

ISD Cyberdyne

Lieutenant Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#4 - 2012-12-25 01:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
Nothing wrong with it, you can become decent at most things quite fast. Becoming an expert takes ages tough.
Check my sig for a list of skills that are good to have whatever you plan to do.

EDIT : Seems my sig was erased. Here is the guide.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-12-25 01:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Maire Gheren wrote:
It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything.
Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on.


Yea. No.
Traing to L4 takes about 20% of the time. L5 takes about 80%.

But Don't rush ahead to the big ships. Bigger isnt always better. Wait til you have all the skills to fly a ship well, (Look at the certs for it), then move on.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-25 01:30:11 UTC
training 'everything' takes 23 or so years ...
scale your goals back a little, and they will be achievable sooner

yes you can do 'all the things' in eve
you just need to enough time to train the required skills
Liam Inkuras
dead.Orbit
#7 - 2012-12-25 01:33:25 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Maire Gheren wrote:
It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything.
Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on.


Yea. No.
Traing to L4 takes about 20% of the time. L5 takes about 80%.

But Don't rush ahead to the big ships. Bigger isnt always better. Wait til you have all the skills to fly a ship well, (Look at the certs for it), then move on.

I highly recommend using certificates as a guideline when training for something. While some are pointless and do not play to the strengths of a ship, most are relevant. More importantly, train the skills for the Core Competency Standard certificate. It will help across everything you do in EVE

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Taya Savah
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-12-25 03:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Taya Savah
Thank you, this is what I wanted to hear. I was afraid I would bump into some gamemechanical "artificial" barrier doing a bit of everything, but it seems I wont. I really dont care for being extra awesome at some certain role, so I should be doing fine going slowly at many roles. Thank you all for the replies, oh and merry christmas :)
Taya Savah
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-12-25 03:07:02 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Maire Gheren wrote:
It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything.
Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on.


Yea. No.
Traing to L4 takes about 20% of the time. L5 takes about 80%.

But Don't rush ahead to the big ships. Bigger isnt always better. Wait til you have all the skills to fly a ship well, (Look at the certs for it), then move on.

I highly recommend using certificates as a guideline when training for something. While some are pointless and do not play to the strengths of a ship, most are relevant. More importantly, train the skills for the Core Competency Standard certificate. It will help across everything you do in EVE


Yeah I tried to look at the certificates a bit but... It's very hard when you just want to do a lot of things in the beginning, I will start looking at the certificates a bit more some time in, thank you for the advice :)
Taya Savah
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-25 03:09:22 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Nothing wrong with it, you can become decent at most things quite fast. Becoming an expert takes ages tough.
Check my sig for a list of skills that are good to have whatever you plan to do.

EDIT : Seems my sig was erased. Here is the guide.


Oh yes, I have looked into a lot of what you have to say sir. Very good guides for nubs and a handsome portrait too, not much to complaint.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-12-25 03:25:03 UTC
It'll only take about 25 years to train every skill to lvl 5 so the sooner you start....

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Bohoba
#12 - 2012-12-25 03:59:03 UTC
train it all as you go till you find your nitch then focus on it and get it done and move it around :)

a well rounded player in eve is sought after more than someone that SP in 1 thing

and first in formost do it the way you have the most fun

Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#13 - 2012-12-25 10:00:59 UTC
you can always buy a new char later if you scramble a few bilions of isk,so if you find out in a year you want focused pvp pilot you will be able to buy a year of SP worth pilot

in the meantime,enjoy whatever are you doing
Othran
Route One
#14 - 2012-12-25 10:38:28 UTC
The downside of trying to do "everything" on one character is that you'll train the skills a lot slower. You won't have enough attribute remaps to minimise training time, simple as that.

There's another downside in terms of clone costs if you PvP but you're years away from that problem Smile

Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#15 - 2012-12-25 10:47:12 UTC
Hey there, heres someone that started also as jack of trades in this game..

At first i was just lost... i wanted to try everything that was available.

Eventually is settled for mining as profession to fallinto if everything else goes sour. Soim nearly maxed hulk pilot.I didi a lot of mining while i was skilling up to racial battleship, tech2 modules and guns for it, etc... So I become mission runner.Then WH was introduced and my explorer blood warmed up, i trained some probeing skills to decent level... Etc...

If your having fun allready, keep doing it. When you find something you want to become really really good at, then you can specialise on that.

Im still toodau sort of jackof trades, i can fly every tech 1 ship upto battleships on every race, use their raceil weapons...Most advanced skills i have are racial one, minmatar. I have upto carrier flight ability on those.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...

Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-12-25 11:42:07 UTC
The other advantage to your broad approach is that you will end up with less useless skills.

You have longer to try all EVE has to offer and figure out what suits you best before you commit to the needed L5 skills needed to specialize.

Do it too soon and you could end up wasting months of training you move on from and never use again.

Case in point : Mining!

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2012-12-25 14:48:11 UTC
Taya Savah wrote:
So what are the actual downsides of doing a lot of different things in one character since I am NOT going to open multiple accounts.

Sounds like me. Basically, I do whatever I want to do, which is a little bit of everything. The only disadvantage is it takes me longer to reach the same levels as those that specialize... but I really don't care about that. It is all about having fun after all.
Lisabet Ikkala
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-25 15:15:45 UTC
If you don't plan on doing blueprint copying/researching you'll save an extreme amount of time on your character.


I actually suggest being able to pilot a mining barge and reprocess/refine things on your combat characters. Ammo isn't cheap y'know!

Plus you can mass manufacture your combat drones.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-26 02:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
As others already pointed out, "training every skill to max level" isn't really a feasible idea. However, if you are talking about trying all the possible activities, career paths in EVE - by all means go for it. In my three years of playing I got involved or at least briefly touched almost all the different areas, and I can definitely say that you don't know what you'll really like until you try it yourself.

However keep in mind that your actions have consequences, some more permanent than others. This might mean that some actions exclude you from doing others, or at least affect your ability to do them well. As an example, it would be close to impossible to be a pirate in lowsec and run NPC missions in highsec at the same time. The former wrecks your character's security status, which means you will be shot on sight by CONCORD while doing the latter.

As far as specialization goes, I suggest getting good at one thing, and only then moving on to something else. In many areas you don't really get the full experience with just minimal skills and no practice. From there, you can either specialize further to become great at that activity, or move on to something else. Both are valid choices.

A final thought of my own, don't focus solely on profit as a measure of your success. Many of the available choices in EVE aren't about making money at all, or profit is only secondary. In fact, if you want to enjoy some careers, you will have to spend ISK that you are expected to gain elsewhere.
Lux0r
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-28 21:43:51 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
However keep in mind that your actions have consequences, some more permanent than others. This might mean that some actions exclude you from doing others, or at least affect your ability to do them well. As an example, it would be close to impossible to be a pirate in lowsec and run NPC missions in highsec at the same time. The former wrecks your character's security status, which means you will be shot on sight by CONCORD while doing the latter.


Not entirely. If you train the Fast Talk skill to 4 and take a bit of time to do some ratting in low sec/null sec, you will be surprised how quickly your sec status will climb back up to allow you to traverse both low and hi sec. Having done this in the past it's totally feasible. Doing it in a day no, but if you wanted to take a week to do some piratey pew pew and then a couple of days of ratting you should be good to go in hi sec again.
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