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The Death of a Drone...

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Xanos Blackpaw
Azure Consortium
#1 - 2012-12-21 12:30:26 UTC
Anyone else feel the AI is a bit 'to' drone aggressive? I know its meant so you cant completely AFK missions anymore in a domi, but having full aggro in a apoc and releasing a flight of hammers shouldnt pop three of them before they take out a cruiser.

There are three ways to solve this:

Give us way bigger drone bays and cheaper drones.

or

Turn the drone aggro waaaay down.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#2 - 2012-12-21 12:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
What i have seen so far (not in missions, though) regarding NPCs killing drones:

If there is a Hammerhead on field, they will shoot the hammerheads.


So, maybe get a Federation Navy Hammerhead (more HP than t1 or t2), put some reps on it (already made a hobgoblin tank stageaggro in a Mordu's) and throw it out while using 4 hobs or berserkers to kill cruisers.
Freyya
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-21 14:02:58 UTC
Afaik npcs still shoot abandoned drones so drop a drone, abandon, rep and use your other drones. Could be that they switch to damage dealing drones though, probably...
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#4 - 2012-12-21 16:13:58 UTC
Xanos Blackpaw wrote:
There are three ways to solve this:


Indeed, and they are:

1) Buy a Drake and/or Tengu, just like everyone else.

2) Take up a new career. Mining is a good way to get the most out of your Netflix membership.

3) Unsub from EvE.



I went with three myself, but I was also on the 3-month cycle thing so I've still got a while to see if CCP can unfook this mess. I'm not holding my breath, though.


http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#5 - 2012-12-21 16:23:40 UTC
Use smaller drones. I believe the Dec 17th patch reduced the agressive nature of drones. The patch notes state:

NPC

NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.

Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above.
Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above.
Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.

Now if you want the pre-patch ai, harden up. This was a nice change and makes missioning more fun. Sorry your isk faucet was reduced, deal with it. But it seems to be an improvement over the initial release where all npcs would switch to a light drone and pop it. You can pop the larger rats with your guns, use light drones on smaller targets, and just manage your drones.
Perihelion Olenard
#6 - 2012-12-21 16:31:13 UTC
I don't know why there's so much complaining about the AI targeting drones in missions. It's not nearly as bad as people say it is. It's rare for me to lose a drone in level 4s. I'm sick of level 4s for other reasons.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#7 - 2012-12-21 18:06:33 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Now if you want the pre-patch ai, harden up. This was a nice change and makes missioning more fun. Sorry your isk faucet was reduced, deal with it. But it seems to be an improvement over the initial release where all npcs would switch to a light drone and pop it. You can pop the larger rats with your guns, use light drones on smaller targets, and just manage your drones.

Ah, well, so you won't mind when they finally get around to having TD affect missiles too. Because the occasional npc defender missile was never much of a problem.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Farsight Incursion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-12-21 18:52:13 UTC
Xanos Blackpaw wrote:
Anyone else feel the AI is a bit 'to' drone aggressive? I know its meant so you cant completely AFK missions anymore in a domi, but having full aggro in a apoc and releasing a flight of hammers shouldnt pop three of them before they take out a cruiser.

There are three ways to solve this:

Give us way bigger drone bays and cheaper drones.

or

Turn the drone aggro waaaay down.



Well I Just ran a few L4 Security missions and my last one was "Vengeance" which god knows how many Frigs/Elite Frigs/BC/Desy/and BS it has and I was using only t1 Hobs. I lost a few in the first room but that was my mistake. I aggroed the full room buy bad tactics ( I did notice that 2 of the BS at 56km were trying to shoot at my Drones even tho I was not aggroed to them, but they couldnt even hit one of them). That being said I learned from my mistakes in the first room and I did not make the same mistake in the second room. Cleared the second room no problem. I only lost 3 T1Hobs for that mission.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-22 07:29:26 UTC
Put a target painter on your ship. There, problem solved.
Parad0x611
Tetris Industries
#10 - 2012-12-22 07:48:39 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Xanos Blackpaw wrote:
There are three ways to solve this:

3) Unsub from EvE.

I went with three myself, but I was also on the 3-month cycle thing so I've still got a while to see if CCP can unfook this mess. I'm not holding my breath, though.


It's not a mess. It's following with CCP's design to make PVE play more like PVP, which even as a carebear I like. Unsubbing is just showing that you want no challenge and one thing I've found is that Eve should be challenging. The whole thing of Eve is that death and despair awaits the lazy, unready or those not paying attention. Its about being prepared.


Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.
Xanos Blackpaw
Azure Consortium
#11 - 2012-12-22 10:15:24 UTC
Parad0x611 wrote:

Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.



Who the hell WANT to pay attention in eve missions? They are the most boring pve in any game i have ever seen. Same missions, over and over and over again.

It's like daily quests in other games...
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-22 10:43:46 UTC
it's random really.


first days I couldn't even throw a swarm of drones at a frigate and expect them to survive.


now I can go thru entire missions without even getting damaged drones.

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Parad0x611
Tetris Industries
#13 - 2012-12-22 11:03:45 UTC
Xanos Blackpaw wrote:
Parad0x611 wrote:

Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.



Who the hell WANT to pay attention in eve missions? They are the most boring pve in any game i have ever seen. Same missions, over and over and over again.

It's like daily quests in other games...


Then why are you running them? There are so many other ways to make Isk. Why do something you hate so much? I just don't understand that mentality...
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-22 11:06:03 UTC
*too

and no

There is no Bob.

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#15 - 2012-12-22 12:14:03 UTC
Xanos Blackpaw wrote:
Parad0x611 wrote:

Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.



Who the hell WANT to pay attention in eve missions? They are the most boring pve in any game i have ever seen. Same missions, over and over and over again.

It's like daily quests in other games...




Have you ever tried running missions in a gang with your friends? It's suddenly really fun. You chat, make 3-5 missions before you redock and just blast through wave after wave of NPCs.
And don't you dare to tell me 'But dem Bounty ticks', because if you're running missions for BOUNTY then you are doing something terribly wrong.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-22 15:17:11 UTC
I used to mission in a rattler but switched ships for this exact reason. Nothing pissed me off more than losing a drone.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2012-12-22 22:48:54 UTC
Parad0x611 wrote:
Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.


If you honestly think that paying attention makes a damn bit of difference when 12+ rats decide to alpha your drones all at once that only proves that you are not a drone boat user and thus are not coming from a position of experience high enough to be making any judgements.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-23 11:38:56 UTC

The Death of a Drone...

Go burry it...... amen

Or train for non Drone boats............. use a Frigate
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#19 - 2012-12-23 15:32:05 UTC
I understand AI changes. However, I will admit I have a problem with them as well lately. When frigs get inside my guns, and have not been touched yet, if I bring out my drones, the second they touch one of the frigs, ALL of them shoot at 1 drone, insta popping it. I do not even get the opportunity to bring it back to bay.

With mediums, as long as its within about 10k, I can get it back to bay before being destroyed, but with light drones I am having an issue. (this is in missions). AI does need a bit of tweaking, or drones (still) need some work.

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Gulthias Shivan
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#20 - 2012-12-23 18:00:36 UTC
Well i just started this game almost 3 months ago, i liked drones and missiles, so i did go for the rattlesnake battleship. Put all of my time in drones and missiles, and with the last update they screwedup the drones, they are TOTALLY USELESS now, my drones did 2/3 of my dps, so all 20 thugs went for my drones first, bye bye 5 heavy drones and 1 million isk, at a lvl 3 mission...

I just reached the point where i could do lvl 4 missions, well i can forget it, because i cant use my drones anymore. Even when all enemys target my ship, as soon as i launch my drones and they start fighting they get ALL killed in 10 seconds.

All drone ships just became useless in missions. Really fun... NOT...

My Drake does do more dps now then my Rattlesnake...

Thanks for totally screwing a whole way gameplay. Maybe they have too much players and really want to loose some...
When this dont get fixed before my 3 months pay ends, i stop playing this game.

Thanks... Really... NOT...
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