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The Cost of Hubris
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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2012-12-20 13:55:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Good.
Now we have to wait for federal citizens to leave their federation because they have bombed Caldari Prime. And those, who won't do it, we can easily blame in inhumanity. And then we will have no moral obligations to spare their lives.


Seriously. Why are you alive still. Seriously.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#22 - 2012-12-20 14:22:27 UTC
DeadRow wrote:
Because kidnapping, slavery, extortion, torture, drug running and murder were all okay for you to continue working for Angels. But they accidently one city and then realise they might be as ruthless as they make out to be?


Yes, actually.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-20 15:13:39 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Seriously. Why are you alive still. Seriously.

Ya know, Im asking this question myself each morning...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-12-20 19:11:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Seriously. Why are you alive still. Seriously.

Ya know, Im asking this question myself each morning...


I will gladly pay for a blaster pistol and ammo-I'll even ship it to you!-if you will kindly use it on your brain housing group after canceling your clone contracts.

Cripes, at least when I troll someone, I attempt to stay on subject.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-12-20 19:56:30 UTC
You know, I used to hate everyone in the CFC, but lately, I've been realising that you guys aren't so bad after all.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#26 - 2012-12-21 16:51:30 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
While I make no excuse for such actions, I would remark that as a combat pilot in Wolfsbrigade, you probably kill vastly more people every day. It seems that capsuleers have an amusing double standard when it comes to the morality of killing baseliners - it's perfectly acceptable to pop hundreds of them at once when you blow up a batlteship, but killing only a few of them - in, admittedly, a vastly more painful and unpleasant manner - is somehow inherently more unacceptable.


Killing in self defense is easily justified. Killing in the defense of the innocent or helpless is also easily justified. Killing people who done you no harm and can't fight back, however... that's crossing a line. It's the event horizon of irredeemable evil.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Vaden Khale
Nictus X
#27 - 2012-12-22 07:21:58 UTC
A quarter million people are dead from a single act of violence. This is the act that triggers your "conscience?" We Chosen kill many more than that every day. "They were civilians" you say. There are no civilians in war. If they lacked the strength to protect themselves they did not deserve to live. You all decry the act as abhorrent. Why is it abhorrent? It certainly can't be the number slain, for far more than a quarter million die every hour of every day. It can't be the method, for there are far more painful and violent deaths in the galaxy. Is it because they were, "civilians?" How many civilians are killed aboard ship and stations every day?

No, you all call this act "abhorrent" because you wish to absolve yourself of your worthless guilt for the countless lives each of you has ended. Are the lives of those on the planet more worthy of continuing than those on the ships? You hypocrites.

I applaud the Cartel for not only successfully coordinating this attack, but for also revealing the ugly truth to the cluster. That is why you appear here with such revulsion. You want, you need there to be someone worse than you, some sinner whose roll of "evil" is greater than your own. This attack is nothing unusual, and it no less than what all of you have done countless times before.

Go with God, Chosen, and embrace your true natures.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2012-12-22 07:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Apparently it is never hard to find a new low within the Capsuleer community. Given the parade of atrocities on show recently, do you really think it is hard to 'search for someone more evil than ourselves'? Every other post has some attention-starved demagogue who just read a transhumanism pamphlet striving to cast themselves as different.

It is not an epiphany you offer, nor a beacon of stark truth. It is a lowering of standards. A default to the lowest common denominator. You simply have a set of implants and more money than the kind of drug addled trash that can be found pursuing petty crimes in any baseliner community.

I suggest you try serving something bigger than yourself.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Vaden Khale
Nictus X
#29 - 2012-12-22 08:05:45 UTC
Quote:
Apparently it is never hard to find a new low within the Capsuleer community. Given the parade of atrocities on show recently, do you really think it is hard to 'search for someone more evil than ourselves'? Every other post has some attention-starved demagogue who just read a transhumanism pamphlet striving to cast themselves as different.


I don't wish to cast myself as different. I want my fellow capsuleers, the Chosen of God, to realize that we are divinely chosen to rule by the might of our ships. My message is one of unity, to cast aside weakness and the vestiges of petty morality and take our rightful place as rulers of the cluster.

Quote:
It is not an epiphany you offer, nor a beacon of stark truth. It is a lowering of standards. A default to the lowest common denominator. You simply have a set of implants and more money than the kind of drug addled trash that can be found pursuing petty crimes in any baseliner community.


Those implants are the mark of the Chosen. They are what separates us from the chaff from which we came.

Quote:
I suggest you try serving something bigger than yourself.


I serve God, as do all things in creation, in their own ways. But often times, the strong must correct the weak from their wayward follies.
Bendonni Narri
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-12-22 08:21:03 UTC
Vaden Khale wrote:
Quote:
Apparently it is never hard to find a new low within the Capsuleer community. Given the parade of atrocities on show recently, do you really think it is hard to 'search for someone more evil than ourselves'? Every other post has some attention-starved demagogue who just read a transhumanism pamphlet striving to cast themselves as different.


I don't wish to cast myself as different. I want my fellow capsuleers, the Chosen of God, to realize that we are divinely chosen to rule by the might of our ships. My message is one of unity, to cast aside weakness and the vestiges of petty morality and take our rightful place as rulers of the cluster.

Quote:
It is not an epiphany you offer, nor a beacon of stark truth. It is a lowering of standards. A default to the lowest common denominator. You simply have a set of implants and more money than the kind of drug addled trash that can be found pursuing petty crimes in any baseliner community.


Those implants are the mark of the Chosen. They are what separates us from the chaff from which we came.

Quote:
I suggest you try serving something bigger than yourself.


I serve God, as do all things in creation, in their own ways. But often times, the strong must correct the weak from their wayward follies.


Another exremist?! Do you people come in cereal boxes now?!!

Witty pop culture reference goes here 
Vikarion
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-12-22 08:58:33 UTC
Welcome back, Vaden Khale. I do hope it is really you.
Vaden Khale
Nictus X
#32 - 2012-12-22 09:10:20 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Welcome back, Vaden Khale. I do hope it is really you.


It is indeed I. I have been living as an ascetic in Curse, and find the changes of the last year...troubling.
DeadRow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-12-22 13:14:21 UTC
Coming back with style, Khale. Good to see you.
Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-12-22 19:02:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Good.
Now we have to wait for federal citizens to leave their federation because they have bombed Caldari Prime. And those, who won't do it, we can easily blame in inhumanity. And then we will have no moral obligations to spare their lives.



Sooo....

Do you want to be the pot, or the kettle?
Seriously?

Seven Tribes
One Matari People.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-12-22 21:09:12 UTC
Vaden Khale wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Welcome back, Vaden Khale. I do hope it is really you.


It is indeed I. I have been living as an ascetic in Curse, and find the changes of the last year...troubling.


An ascetic? Why?
Vaden Khale
Nictus X
#36 - 2012-12-22 22:15:26 UTC
God has chosen us for great power, but that power must be tempered with wisdom, and the hedonism of our lifestyle can cloud the judgment of Godly men. By giving up technology and possessions, living as we did thousands of years ago, I was to purify my soul of worldly temptations and modern distractions. Some find it odd that a Sani Sabik would give up his power, but one can only truly appreciate what one has when it is gone. I return with knowledge and wisdom to temper my great power. That is why I lived as an ascetic, Vikarion.
Kalela Ohturold
Dominations
Angel Cartel
#37 - 2012-12-22 22:18:25 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
I await their answer.


What answer is that, exactly?

Firstly, I think you need to stop confusing the Serpentis Corporation with the Angel Cartel. Sure, we provide a few services to the guys in Fountain but at the same time we're a whole different entity, with very different business aims.

I won't deny Cartel involvement, it's plain enough to see. That said, what happened was a solid message not to interfere with Serpentis operations in future. Enough time was wasted screwing around during the first unsuccessful sortie.

People know who the Cartel are, people know what we do. I'm not gonna paint things a pretty colour and claim the cluster is filled with rainbows and butterflies. We just get the job done and make sure we cut a clean bottom line when we do.

We're not asking for your respect, we're a business not a club where people hold hands and pat eachother on the back for a job well done. Anyone with the right skills and a thirst for success and profit can roll up and take work from us as a contractor.

Sorry hon, but we don't have time for second guessing and crisis of conscience. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the galley.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2012-12-22 23:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
[Retracted, my mistake]
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#39 - 2012-12-22 23:26:01 UTC
Kalela Ohturold wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
I await their answer.


we're a business



One hell of a business, if I may add. Among the most dedicated and professional pilots I have ever flown with.

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Vikarion
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-12-23 02:36:28 UTC
Kalela Ohturold wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
I await their answer.


What answer is that, exactly?

Firstly, I think you need to stop confusing the Serpentis Corporation with the Angel Cartel. Sure, we provide a few services to the guys in Fountain but at the same time we're a whole different entity, with very different business aims.

I won't deny Cartel involvement, it's plain enough to see. That said, what happened was a solid message not to interfere with Serpentis operations in future. Enough time was wasted screwing around during the first unsuccessful sortie.

People know who the Cartel are, people know what we do. I'm not gonna paint things a pretty colour and claim the cluster is filled with rainbows and butterflies. We just get the job done and make sure we cut a clean bottom line when we do.

We're not asking for your respect, we're a business not a club where people hold hands and pat eachother on the back for a job well done. Anyone with the right skills and a thirst for success and profit can roll up and take work from us as a contractor.

Sorry hon, but we don't have time for second guessing and crisis of conscience. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the galley.





Huh. This sort of answer makes me glad that I've worked with the Dominations in the past. So hard to find people who will own up to what they are.
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