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Best POS setup for research in lowsec?

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Cj Staal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-21 10:58:51 UTC
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?
Liu Ellens
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-21 11:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Liu Ellens
That's a bit too less information.
Parameters are (not limited to):
* How many slots do you want to be able to run in parallel
* How "backwater" is the system you're looking for? (How likely is it that someone doesn't like its color)
* Up to which sort of typical attack would you want the tower to sustain?

Either way, it should be a large tower and find a mixture of used structures (i.e. your labs) and offense/defense structures suitable for your need. This will then also tell you the initial cost.

As for costs:
* Do you want to manufacture the blocks yourself? Got the BP chain ready?
* Where to get the raw materials from? PI & Ice mining (choose a tower using the ice from the next best field) or market?

A standard large tower takes around 125 Mil per week in raw fuel materials. But the (Jita) market tends to fluctuate.

Well, they oughta know what to do with them hogs out there for shure.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#3 - 2012-12-21 11:33:59 UTC
Search for dickstar or deathstar. And get your star base defense skill at the very least up to 4 and have someone else train that too.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-21 11:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Cj Staal wrote:
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?


A medium research pos with labs, can easily cost 500M or more. Fuel is around 300M a month, and datacores cost quite a lot as well.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#5 - 2012-12-21 11:55:22 UTC
Cj Staal wrote:
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?


Why would you want to put it in losec?

Large tower + lotsa guns + labs / 500 Mil -1 Bil +
Fuel / 550 - 650 Mil a month
BrutalButFair
Fleet of the Damned
#6 - 2012-12-21 12:00:20 UTC
Hevymetal wrote:
Cj Staal wrote:
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?


Why would you want to put it in losec?

Large tower + lotsa guns + labs / 500 Mil -1 Bil +
Fuel / 550 - 650 Mil a month


Because you have to?
ISD Praetoxx
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-12-21 12:02:35 UTC
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Hevymetal
POT Corp
#8 - 2012-12-21 12:02:53 UTC
BrutalButFair wrote:
Hevymetal wrote:
Cj Staal wrote:
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?


Why would you want to put it in losec?

Large tower + lotsa guns + labs / 500 Mil -1 Bil +
Fuel / 550 - 650 Mil a month


Because you have to?


No you don't. There are plenty of spots in hisec to anchor a POS.
LordSpock
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-12-21 12:17:10 UTC
Hevymetal wrote:
BrutalButFair wrote:
Hevymetal wrote:
Cj Staal wrote:
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?


Why would you want to put it in losec?

Large tower + lotsa guns + labs / 500 Mil -1 Bil +
Fuel / 550 - 650 Mil a month


Because you have to?


No you don't. There are plenty of spots in hisec to anchor a POS.


That does require you to have a faction standings of at least 5.0 for the factions space you want to place it in. And not personal standings, but the standings the corp that will place the POS has.
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#10 - 2012-12-21 12:27:48 UTC
LordSpock wrote:
Hevymetal wrote:
BrutalButFair wrote:
Hevymetal wrote:
Cj Staal wrote:
Whats the best build for a POS system to research in lowsec? Also, what would the total cost be to start up, and then monthly cost?


Why would you want to put it in losec?

Large tower + lotsa guns + labs / 500 Mil -1 Bil +
Fuel / 550 - 650 Mil a month


Because you have to?


No you don't. There are plenty of spots in hisec to anchor a POS.


That does require you to have a faction standings of at least 5.0 for the factions space you want to place it in. And not personal standings, but the standings the corp that will place the POS has.


Yes I realize this. Check out my BIO. I as well as others offer a Alliance/Corp creation/POS anchoring service for those that don't have the standings. Also for those that want instant access to Jump Clones.

Once the POS is anchored your standings can fall to 0 and you POS will remain anchored and operational.
Bloody Wench
#11 - 2012-12-21 21:25:10 UTC
Honestly man, a lowsec research POS is a Super Dreadful idea (lolpuns).

I used a standing service last time I wanted to deploy a hisec pos for research. The prices are pretty good and it saves a lot of hassle.

Then you get 24 hours notice in the event you need to takedown the pos, remove labs, online guns etc etc

In lowsec the first warning you get is the mail telling you it's already reinforced.

Wormholes are safer than lowsec.

Fuel costs will be:
Blocks per hour x hours in a day x days in a month + charters (hisec only)

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Ginger Barbarella
#12 - 2012-12-21 22:16:48 UTC
LordSpock wrote:

That does require you to have a faction standings of at least 5.0 for the factions space you want to place it in. And not personal standings, but the standings the corp that will place the POS has.


Look up Cyber Broker. He's not the only one, but he's the one I've used a couple times. Plenty of others to help with that, too.

But yes, setting up a d!ckstar in high sec is a lot safer (for your structure).

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-12-21 22:22:03 UTC
Low sec POS for research might sound like a good idea over setting one up in highsec, but really its not when you compare the costs per month to what you have available.

With a lowsec POS you will be using up at least 1/2 of your CPU and power to hardeners and guns. This means you'll only have about 5 labs in lowsec if lucky compared to 10 labs in highsec. If you have the ability to have that many labs in use it means you're basically paying x2 the amount of isk per month to do the research jobs.

So look at it like this. You can spend 300m isk/ month for a large tower in low sec, with 1/2 the amount of labs. This basically means you're spending 150m isk/month more for what you could be researching.

Now if you use one of the POS/corp services, which generally cost about 200m, you make that cost up in 5 weeks.

Or if you do a datacenter handing, using an average cost of 400m you make that back in 10 weeks, plus you keep all the faction standings.

So in the long run you end up with more research (research/copy/manufacturing/whatever) anchoring in highsec over anchoring in lowsec. This also dosen't even take into consideration issues with logistics, losing ships/cargo, etc that might happen in the lowsec you deploy in.
Cj Staal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-22 01:19:36 UTC
Alright, can someone contact me in game so I can purchase a corp that I can anchor with? I would like to anchor it in arnon
Cj Staal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-22 02:07:09 UTC
Also, what race tower should I use for research in highsec then?
Cj Staal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-22 05:13:31 UTC
who can set me up a new corp with a high gallente federation ranking?
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#17 - 2012-12-22 07:43:01 UTC
Low sec POS can work but you will need a lot of pilots and caps to defend it.

Only corps working with pirate groups should even think about it.

You can get 7 mobile labs on a well defended Large POS in low sec.

Fuel cost are down currently. Previous estimates are far too high.

Fuel cost will be under 400 mil for a large POS.

Best of luck.
Cj Staal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-12-22 07:47:24 UTC
I would rather have someone set me up a new corporation
Bloody Wench
#19 - 2012-12-23 00:57:36 UTC
Corp Standing service, Sell Orders forum, there's at least one per page.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack