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Mag's
Azn Empire
#121 - 2012-12-21 19:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Kingpin Nil wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
AFK cloaking exists because of local.

Remove local and AFK cloaking will not exist because there will be no reason to afk cloak in the first place. Then these AFK cloakers can instead focusing on actually blowing stuff up instead of engaging in a poor mechanics psychological warfare.

And yes, the mechanics is frigging awful as it is.

"Hiiiii everyone, I r here sitting in an invisible ship and u cannot harmz me!!! R u scaaaaaared?"

Really?

Where is the whole "sneaking up on a unsuspecting victim without anyone knowing you are there and blasting him to kingdom come and then run like hell" in all of this?

Surely the latter is a much better option for everyone? Well, except the one who ends up as fireworks that is. Or is this "too harsh for EVE these days"?




Irrelevant the issue is players going AFK! Why does this simple concept escape so many people?
No, not irrelevant. Because you need to understand WHY they go AFK and for what purpose. You even say yourself, that they are "used to disrupt null sec operations." You can't have it both ways, just because it doesn't suit your argument.

Answer me this. Whilst people are AFKing, what mechanic are they using to interact with you?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#122 - 2012-12-21 22:36:10 UTC
Mag's wrote:

Answer me this. Whilst people are AFKing, what mechanic are they using to interact with you?

Magic

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#123 - 2012-12-21 22:44:03 UTC
AFK Mining bad

AFK Cloaking good

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-12-21 22:48:23 UTC
because of falcon!!

ow wait its one of those damn cloaky threads again. grow a pair n use a decent fit n that single cloaky wont be able to do anything at all, just participate in the MM part of this fine MMO
Kingpin Nil
Care-Bears UNITED
#125 - 2012-12-21 23:20:41 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Kingpin Nil wrote:
why do you think your special enough to effect how others play the game?


Wow. Just--- wow. This one statement shows you truly don't understand this game.

Done. I'm out. 3/10 for getting so many to bite. Kudos.



again taking text out of context means nothing!
Kingpin Nil
Care-Bears UNITED
#126 - 2012-12-21 23:23:12 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Kingpin Nil wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So let me get this right. You want to nerf cloaks because you misread or rely to much, upon the the intel local is giving you?

How is that balanced?


nerf cloaks? I don't understand why people continue to not bother reading my first post! why are so many people hell bend on misdirecting this thread?
You stated "Without destroying cloaking altogether!" So only destroying them a little? Sounds like an nerf.
You also said it was "to be used to detect cloaks." If that's not a nerf to cloaks, then what is?

But I have to ask. Why are you wanting to nerf cloaks, when they are not the cause of your problem?



the whole point is to eliminate afk cloakers! not the mechanics behind them! you can still use cloaks as they were intended and more! just not while being AFK for a long period of time!

I don't know why this is such a hard concept for many to understand?
Kingpin Nil
Care-Bears UNITED
#127 - 2012-12-21 23:25:25 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Kingpin Nil wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
AFK cloaking exists because of local.

Remove local and AFK cloaking will not exist because there will be no reason to afk cloak in the first place. Then these AFK cloakers can instead focusing on actually blowing stuff up instead of engaging in a poor mechanics psychological warfare.

And yes, the mechanics is frigging awful as it is.

"Hiiiii everyone, I r here sitting in an invisible ship and u cannot harmz me!!! R u scaaaaaared?"

Really?

Where is the whole "sneaking up on a unsuspecting victim without anyone knowing you are there and blasting him to kingdom come and then run like hell" in all of this?

Surely the latter is a much better option for everyone? Well, except the one who ends up as fireworks that is. Or is this "too harsh for EVE these days"?




Irrelevant the issue is players going AFK! Why does this simple concept escape so many people?
No, not irrelevant. Because you need to understand WHY they go AFK and for what purpose. You even say yourself, that they are "used to disrupt null sec operations." You can't have it both ways, just because it doesn't suit your argument.

Answer me this. Whilst people are AFKing, what mechanic are they using to interact with you?



it's irrenlavent because my argument inst about reds making locals paranoid its about addressing being AFK
Kingpin Nil
Care-Bears UNITED
#128 - 2012-12-21 23:26:45 UTC
Djana Libra wrote:
because of falcon!!

ow wait its one of those damn cloaky threads again. grow a pair n use a decent fit n that single cloaky wont be able to do anything at all, just participate in the MM part of this fine MMO


again and again please read my first post! its not about care bear tears its about addressing being afk while supposedly playing eve
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-12-21 23:31:44 UTC
Kingpin Nil wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Kingpin Nil wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
AFK cloaking exists because of local.

Remove local and AFK cloaking will not exist because there will be no reason to afk cloak in the first place. Then these AFK cloakers can instead focusing on actually blowing stuff up instead of engaging in a poor mechanics psychological warfare.

And yes, the mechanics is frigging awful as it is.

"Hiiiii everyone, I r here sitting in an invisible ship and u cannot harmz me!!! R u scaaaaaared?"

Really?

Where is the whole "sneaking up on a unsuspecting victim without anyone knowing you are there and blasting him to kingdom come and then run like hell" in all of this?

Surely the latter is a much better option for everyone? Well, except the one who ends up as fireworks that is. Or is this "too harsh for EVE these days"?




Irrelevant the issue is players going AFK! Why does this simple concept escape so many people?
No, not irrelevant. Because you need to understand WHY they go AFK and for what purpose. You even say yourself, that they are "used to disrupt null sec operations." You can't have it both ways, just because it doesn't suit your argument.

Answer me this. Whilst people are AFKing, what mechanic are they using to interact with you?



it's irrenlavent because my argument inst about reds making locals paranoid its about addressing being AFK


It isn't irrelevant because being AFK whilst cloaked in null is in fact related to one another. As Mag said you cannot exclude one from the other in order to make your argument stick. It's like saying that water is irrelevant in a discussion that is about dehydration.
Alice Fiorina
Doomheim
#130 - 2012-12-21 23:31:44 UTC

and again, and again, and again

there is no problem with being afk

only with making isk afk
Kingpin Nil
Care-Bears UNITED
#131 - 2012-12-21 23:47:05 UTC
Midiana wrote:
There's a point here that is being totally overlooked.

AFK miner. He mines away while he's at work or goes out with his mates, And he makes Isk. That's illegal right? He's making a gain by not playing the game.

Botting Ratter. He shoots rats all day long while not at his keyboard, he's gone out with his mates and he's making some isk. Illegal yes? He's again making a gain by not playing.

AFK Cloaker. This guys aim is not to make isk. It's to stop other people making isk through fear of reprisal or hot drop. Fair play, if that's what he want's to do noone can stop him doing that. However then he goes to the pub. Or he goes shopping. He watches a movie. He's till performing his task, which is giving him a gain. That gain is to deprive his enemy of money through the threat that he actually is going to hot drop or tackle that rorqual you have in that belt. He's getting his gain (gain being the objective of competing what he set out to do), while not actually playing the game. That is illegal right?

The three above situations ALL give the pilot doing them a gain. One gives ore, one gives isk, one deprives their enemy of isk. Why one should be absolutely fine and the other two can lead to a ban is beyond me.

There are two completely simple fixes to the Cloaky camper problem :

1) Log off after a period of one hour inactivity. This means you have to be at your keyboard to stay logged in. Or you have to bot, which will get you banned. For being the cripple that you actually are.

2) Cloaks require some form of fuel or have a recharge timer on them. You either are forced to go and refuel to continue your cov ops reign of terror, or after one hour your cloak completely dissengages needing 30 mins recharge time before it can be activated again. Giving the defenders some time to find you if you remain AFK in one spot. And again, if your at work and leave your pc on, you can't recloak or refuel, leaving you time to die in the way you deserve.


This is'nt about denying the ability to AFK cloak, its about denying the ability to perform your job in hand, whether that's ratting, mining, or striking terror into carebear hearts while not actually playing the game or even being home. Gain is'nt ISK gain can be to deny your opponent isk making. Gain can be many things in Eve and we all know it. So far cloaky afkers have been given way too much leeway.



so far only one person has been able to understand the whole point of this thread.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-12-22 00:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: psycho freak
Afk cloaking is a valid disruption tactic tbh

If your in 0.0 and you have enemys then they will try to disrupt your day to day activatys be it camping your choke/entry points or hot droping your jump frieghters or small fast hit and run gangs or bring the fleet or even bring the blob if they want your space and put cloaky alts in your systems as cyno's/scouts for intel( when u forming and ship types) or just the random kill from time to time

its a valid tactic in eve warfare and tbfh you should be doing the same to your enemys instead of whineing for ccp to change things to suit you

if you cant handle it gtfo tbh


edit: some of you whineing pansys should come live in losec and see how it really is but seems like most 0.0 are whineing carebares who just wana be safe behind see of blue

rember anywere in eve the moment you undock you are a possible target

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-12-22 00:12:08 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
Afk cloaking is a valid disruption tactic tbh

If your in 0.0 and you have enemys then they will try to disrupt your day to day activatys be it camping your choke/entry points or hot droping your jump frieghters or small fast hit and run gangs or bring the fleet or even bring the blob if they want your space and put cloaky alts in your systems as cyno's/scouts for intel( when u forming and ship types) or just the random kill from time to time

its a valid tactic in eve warfare and tbfh you should be doing the same to your enemys instead of whineing for ccp to change things to suit you

if you cant handle it gtfo tbh


edit: some of you whineing pansys should come live in losec and see how it really is but seems like most 0.0 are whineing carebares who just wana be safe behind see of blue

rember anywere in eve the moment you undock you are a possible target


You seem to be rather hardcore in your attitude yet you seem to also want to keep local/afk cloaking which by nature automatically equates to less fireworks.

Please do tell me how that equates?
Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-12-22 01:01:33 UTC
My only issue with cloaks is the absolute lack of a counter. Every other form of defence/ECM has a counter that at least reduces the effectiveness of the tactic.

Why not have a, very expensive/hard to build/skill intensive, probe or module that lets you scan down a cloaked ship. If you make the cloaked ship have a very small sig it would be challenging to get a warp in quickly which means the alert cloaker would have time to warp to a new safe or log off. Once on grid the hunters would need to get close enough to actually decloak the cloaker so it would still be challenging for the hunters while encouraging active gameplay by both sides which seems to me to be what we all should want.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#135 - 2012-12-22 01:25:24 UTC
Xessej wrote:
My only issue with cloaks is the absolute lack of a counter. Every other form of defence/ECM has a counter that at least reduces the effectiveness of the tactic.


what lack of a counter?? Anyone with more than 1 week in 0.0 know how to counter.

Bait.
Send a juicy drake in ratter camuflage and when the evil cloacker show up to gank place a point and call your friends.
Just to say the most obvious counter.

And yes, can requires days, but still fun. Outplay him on the psycological level and make him fall in your trap. THIS is active gameplay. Not crying to CCP to change a consolidated and working game mechanic only cause we're too lazy or unable to deal with it.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#136 - 2012-12-22 01:39:32 UTC
Saw "age old problem" and thought this was going to be a thread about understanding women.


Left disappointed.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#137 - 2012-12-22 01:56:29 UTC
It really isn't the fault of the design of a cloaking module that you have a lower tolerance for risk than highsec miners who are surrounded by potential gankers all day, but are somehow hardcore enough to get on with their business anyways. Maybe we need to move all the ABC ores to lowsec instead? Risk=reward, and if you have a lower risk tolerance than people digging in Luminaire, then well. what can I say.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-12-22 02:19:47 UTC
Post with your super block main OP. Coward.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#139 - 2012-12-22 03:47:14 UTC
I take umbrage with the idea of what I'm doing as "AFK cloaking" permanently" This isn't it at all. I had a doctor put in bladder staples because I drink too much so I have to get up to pee roughly every 15 seconds, but the health benefits have been amazing! I rarely ever wake up in a pool of my own vomit anymore!

Of course this causes a problem because I'm a very cautious player so I always dscan a gate before I warp to it then I bounce a perch, but it takes me a few seconds to dscan and warp, and by the time I land I have to pee again so I have to safe up.
Alec Stacer
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#140 - 2012-12-22 03:48:58 UTC
Cloaky afker's don't scare me.