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WH Should be Nerfed!
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Gravitas Stolpe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-12-19 11:27:04 UTC
Alt in noobcorp, claiming to be goon, trying to antagonize w-community and inviting us to deklein to settle the score?. Sounds legit.
Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-12-19 12:11:29 UTC
ma perke wrote:
lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say...

it reminds me about IT/WN/-A- etc. elite pvp-ers we noobs kicked out from every region we fight in, who instead of fixing their stuff and putting up a good fight like NC. did preffer to run. You are so good and skilled fighting Sleepers ?!? lol are they the CCP version of Deep Blue chess computer??

I think of level 4 missions - when they reached 100Misk/h in hi sec they were nerfed to nothing.
I think of nul sec anomalies - when everybody started upgrading their system they were nerfed.
I think of incursions - when so many elite hi sec bears started doing them they were nerfed.

Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... it is about time now.

Me being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts. Thanks for the loot btw, keep coming in faction fitted t3 cruisers, I love it. Unfortunately I can't return you the visit since the game mechanics dosen't allow it. Every single inhabited WH i find in null gets closed imediately by its elite sleeper-bears when they see Deklein on the other side.

btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx???


Hi

Hi I just met you and this is crazy but Post with your main... maybe ???
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-12-19 13:08:00 UTC
ma perke wrote:
Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO...
yes, sleepers were made significantly harder long time before any nerfing came to L4s, incursions or sanctums...

Criticising something you know absolutely nothing about makes you look very bad indeed (hence the npc noob alt I assume). So please stop this crying, try living in deep W-space for couple months and then come back and share you experiences with us. Because is it stands now, you have nothing to share and you'are rightly ignored/laughed at.

ps. I apologize for feeding the troll Oops

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-12-19 13:45:44 UTC
ma perke wrote:
lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say...


Sadly the only tears have been from your OP. Everyone else in the thread calling you out as a troll/idiot aren't tears, just stating facts.

0/10
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-12-19 14:31:47 UTC
ma perke wrote:

btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx???


So your saying that you carrier rat deep in goon space, not only that,but in their headquarters. Where you have thousands of players at a moment notice,and that is more dangerous then WH's?

Thats precious.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-12-19 16:21:20 UTC
Joran Jackson wrote:
The only thing I've learned from this thread is that Gnaw is too good a person to be in Aquila




....and my position of AAMR (Angry, Authoritarian, Megalomaniac Russian) of Verge of Collapse has been recently usurped.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-12-19 16:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
ma perke wrote:
lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say...

it reminds me about IT/WN/-A- etc. elite pvp-ers we noobs kicked out from every region we fight in, who instead of fixing their stuff and putting up a good fight like NC. did preffer to run. You are so good and skilled fighting Sleepers ?!? lol are they the CCP version of Deep Blue chess computer??

I think of level 4 missions - when they reached 100Misk/h in hi sec they were nerfed to nothing.
I think of nul sec anomalies - when everybody started upgrading their system they were nerfed.
I think of incursions - when so many elite hi sec bears started doing them they were nerfed.

Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... it is about time now.

Me being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts. Thanks for the loot btw, keep coming in faction fitted t3 cruisers, I love it. Unfortunately I can't return you the visit since the game mechanics dosen't allow it. Every single inhabited WH i find in null gets closed imediately by its elite sleeper-bears when they see Deklein on the other side.

btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx???



Oh my. The mighty CFC, purgers of RMTing Russian hordes. You have fought alliances that are 1/10th your size, and half filled with Bots and now you proudly thump your chest as if its some sort of accomplishment. Why don't you try the same thing with w-space, come to our turf and try to chest thump then see how long your mighty blob will handle warfare that requires skills and more than a few hours of staying online.

Also, your entire argument is a logical fallacy. You show us other aspects of the game that were nerfed due to over production of ISK, however you forget that those aspects of the game provided a very risk-free and pvp averse environment. People who make ISK in L4 or Incursions rarely went and spent all that ISK on ships and pew, in wspace most of us make ISK only to pew and we rarely if ever cause general inflation of the market. In fact the amount of ISK we earned depends entirely on how many Tech3 ships are lost.

P.S. Your coalition gets pwned by wspace alliance all the time. This is my personal favorite because I was there: http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13657
http://themittani.com/news/eight-goonswarm-carriers-down-branch

I laugh at your inadequacy. Lol
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-12-19 21:00:23 UTC
If W-Space is so safe why do I feel so paranoid all the time?

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-12-19 21:48:37 UTC
Pinaculus wrote:
If W-Space is so safe why do I feel so paranoid all the time?


Rengas

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Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#70 - 2012-12-20 00:52:20 UTC
Really hope the op gets baw cancer.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2012-12-20 04:59:12 UTC
I'm a little disappointed, not enough OP tears. Page 2 he completely disappears. Page 3 one post about how leet he is and nothing on page 4. I was expecting more! And yeah w-space has virtually no risk at all, man good catch. No Concord, pfft who needs them? No local, pfft don't need to know how many pirates, murderers, war-targets, haters, killers, serial rapists (yeah idk, just go with it), slavers, scammers, politicians, lepers, Jita sales-people there are floating around out there! We got this, no worries about that pos you spent time setting up... oh wait.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-12-20 07:13:36 UTC
I rly love when null sec F1 pushers cry like child :D Cry more pls its fantastic Cool
ash veratis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-12-20 08:54:13 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
ma perke wrote:
Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO...
yes, sleepers were made significantly harder long time before any nerfing came to L4s, incursions or sanctums...



For the record, w-space nerfs I can think of off the top of my head:


  • NOS to Neut change.
  • API-based jumps-per-hour counts were removed.
  • high-end Ladar sleeper spawn count doubling (4bs's in instrumentals instead of 2, etc)
  • Changes to wormhole jump mechanics reducing the number of people who can slip through a collapsing hole.
  • Corporate hangar array max item count cap.
  • Aggression-based reshipping counter applying even while inside a force-field. (silly, but it's applying everywhere, so it's marginal, I'll concede)
  • Missile range reduction (since some sleepers love to hang out at 80k's, this is a problem, but fair enough, since it brings it closer to other races in terms of range)
  • Signature resolution of dreadnaught guns being drastically increased. (this was balanced out by a tracking improvement, but since sleepers have a signature radius of 400m max, it can still cause problems, since it makes target painters less effective after stacking is applied)


I'm sure I missed some.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-12-20 09:24:06 UTC
Quote:
For the record, w-space nerfs I can think of off the top of my head:


NOS to Neut change.
API-based jumps-per-hour counts were removed.
high-end Ladar sleeper spawn count doubling (4bs's in instrumentals instead of 2, etc)
Changes to wormhole jump mechanics reducing the number of people who can slip through a collapsing hole.
Corporate hangar array max item count cap.
Aggression-based reshipping counter applying even while inside a force-field. (silly, but it's applying everywhere, so it's marginal, I'll concede)
Missile range reduction (since some sleepers love to hang out at 80k's, this is a problem, but fair enough, since it brings it closer to other races in terms of range)
Signature resolution of dreadnaught guns being drastically increased. (this was balanced out by a tracking improvement, but since sleepers have a signature radius of 400m max, it can still cause problems, since it makes target painters less effective after stacking is applied)



I'm sure I missed some.


cap escaltions spawning when you land on grid not when you start yoru warp (god i feel old)

ecm removed from magnatar effects

pulsar effect working on pos shields (could be wrong with that one)

probably loads loads more

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Xtrah
Overload This
Escalation Theory
#75 - 2012-12-20 10:02:22 UTC
Sleepers affected by wormhole effects !!P

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Mother Ducks
Quack LLC
#76 - 2012-12-20 10:41:09 UTC
Oh poor goon, swimming in a sea of blue
Tell me now, what did the WHs ever do to you?
Are you jealous of our Cap escalation
while you suffer from the blob retardation
We want you to come join us, yes it true
The vastness of W-space beckons you
Come inside our home with your shiny toys
as we wring our hands like greedy boys
We want to take you on and you blob
So we can make many sacrifices to our dear Bob
What is that you say? WHs are for bads?
You do not want to play with our Bhaals and their corresponding lads?
You have no interest in taking on our Dreads
Without the chance of Cynos lighting above you heads?
You feel uncomfortable without your titan bridge
It is as though you are standing on the ridge
of the precipice of darkness, nothing is all you see
Well that's because I have a cloaky with me
Now you're tackled, and you scream and shout!
But the last words you will here will be from me within my Proteus "****, or get the %@$ out"

Heh, ***** ****.
Chester Floyd
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-12-20 11:01:08 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
you all know the rule .. don't F.. feed the troll !!!


THIS
AtomicConnor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-12-20 11:58:43 UTC
ma perke wrote:
lMe being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts.


lulwut?
Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#79 - 2012-12-20 15:13:20 UTC
Mother Ducks wrote:
Oh poor goon, swimming in a sea of blue
Tell me now, what did the WHs ever do to you?
Are you jealous of our Cap escalation
while you suffer from the blob retardation
We want you to come join us, yes it true
The vastness of W-space beckons you
Come inside our home with your shiny toys
as we wring our hands like greedy boys
We want to take you on and you blob
So we can make many sacrifices to our dear Bob
What is that you say? WHs are for bads?
You do not want to play with our Bhaals and their corresponding lads?
You have no interest in taking on our Dreads
Without the chance of Cynos lighting above you heads?
You feel uncomfortable without your titan bridge
It is as though you are standing on the ridge
of the precipice of darkness, nothing is all you see
Well that's because I have a cloaky with me
Now you're tackled, and you scream and shout!
But the last words you will here will be from me within my Proteus "****, or get the %@$ out"

Heh, ***** ****.



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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#80 - 2012-12-20 15:27:24 UTC
Yeah WH income should be nerfed by a lot. It is really shameful how much those guys are rich, especially compared to us lowsec dwellers. And i dont find WH that more dangerous than lowsec, on the contrary. C4 and above should be nerfed to the ground.

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