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They could do that, but the sovereignty mechanic itself would need to be sharply limited if they did, otherwise groups would be able to use the superior space to amass too much power and would become unchallengable barring internal disruption.

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And once again.

Every single question I asked was either skirted around or argued with an entirely unrelated point.

And each time it was a character, from an NPC corp, telling me that NPC corp industrialists are fine, and that because we can build a titan there's nothing wrong with industry balance in high sec.


So someone explain this to me.

Who can make more building a any single T1 item in the game.
The guy in an NPC corp, or the guy in a player run corp with a PoS.

Untill the answer,
The guy int he PoS, **** isn't balanced.
Just because people do it, doesn't make it balanced. Some people shove spikes through there own boides, obviously as human beings some of us don't mind doing the "hard" things.

You should be rewarded for using the tools that CCP provides us, not for ignoring the majority of them, and that's exactly how industry works right now.


Almost 30 pages worth of people saying "it's not balanced, but it's ok". That's all I see in most of the responces here. A lot of people that think it's ok for NPC corp industrialists to be the most efficient in the game.


Here i am, saying over and over, and as load as you can on the forums that HIGH SEC CORPS, HIGH SEC, is getting ****** as much as the null industrialists.

Damn near everything in EVE is balanced around a few very simple ideas. The more risk you take, the more effort involved, and the more people needed to acheive soemthing, the more you are rewarded. Except for industry. Indusrialists are not rewarded for joining a corporatin and using palyer built structures, anyone saying otherwise are lying. If you're in a player run corp, using player built structures to do industry, you are penalized; that is a FACT.

Unless you want to do very specific things, that require you to work with other people, a lot of skill training, and is limitted in need, you have no reason to leave the NPC corp as an industrialist. Few people will ever actually do any kind of industry beyond T2 production. Advanced industrial activities are aready rewarded due to the restirctions involved in doing it. That doesn't make the other 99.9% of industry balanced.

Who's saying things need to be restricted?

And are you really saying that people won't build T1 items in high sec if the stations cost more to use, lines were reduced slightly, and max refine rate was reduced?

Because that would be silly.

Can you build things significantly cheaper in a PoS?
Can you put the things your PoS builds on the market from your PoS?

Do you think there is some sort of "progression" expected as an industrialist. Like doing the next raid in another MMO, do you think that as an industrialist you're ultimately expected to end up building titans? EVE doesn't work that way for me.



Fine, how about remove T2 production from NPC stations. In order to do any T2 and up production you have to do it in a player run structure.

Don't touch slots.
Don't touch refine rates.
Do nothing but remove T2 production from high sec NPC stations.

Quite honestly that's what it comes down to, T2 production. T2 production is the only the only form of "progression" for an industrialist. Cap production up is for those people that want to specialize in something that requires more teamwork to do. T2 production is what every single industrialist should be working towards doing.

And every single character that is not in an NPC corp, working from high sec NPC stations, is at a disadvantage when it comes to T2 production.

I do not care if it's cheaper to do it in high sec. I only care that it's cheapest to do it in an undeccable corporation, working out of a station that you can't lose access too. If high sec is the cheapest place to do T2 production, it should require a player run structure.

The ideas I support would be good for everyone. To be the "best" you would only have to join a player run corp, but you would still be able to make craptons of ISK doing in an NPC station, as a member of an NPC corp.

Removing T2 production from NPC stations would be horrible.

You have written a tangential reply that does not negate mine.

I don't think EvE is balanced like that (not saying it's wrong or right).
I.e. hi sec PI done right can rival way more risky and time consuming operations including missioning.
T2 production too.
Edit: I just noticed I have made 622M today with 3 orders. I logged on once this morning, for 5 minutes. That's :reward vs effort: the EvE way.

What you "think" is irrelevant, because CCP themselves have said exactly that.

More-over, itt's common sense.

I "think" as in "from looking at how you can earn income in practice".

Example:

I just noticed I have made 622M today with 3 orders. I logged on once this morning, for 5 minutes. That's :reward vs effort: the EvE way.

So, I'll leave you reading what CCP "says" and wondering why it's not true, while I'll do what *earns* and won't wonder why it's true.

Which of the two behaviors is more adaptive and "sandboxy"?

This is not a bad idea at all, and certainly better than the plethora of 'few slots and no ISK for hisec!' ideas that most of the null folks seem to pass off as original thought. Maybe meta level caps in the most secure areas.

I guess that's what I get for being a smart ass.

You guys do understand that that would mean you can only do T2 production while in a corp that can be wardecced, from a PoS in high sec, or in a station in a system where there is no CONCORD?

That sounds better to you than just reducing the refine rates in NPC stations, lowing the number of available lines in a station, and incresing line costs in NPC stations.

You think all of that would be harder for the NPC corp guy then losing the ability to produce T2 items?



I really am impressed.