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Concerning The Current Bounty Mechanic
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Alexander Renoir
Covenant Trading Agency
#1 - 2012-12-19 13:15:16 UTC

The current and new bounty system has a lot of improvement potential.

The first point is the list for most wanted (char/ corporation/ alliance) and successful hunter. Why is this list limited to ten entries?
Solution: It should show more than ten entries.

Second point: Why is there absolute NO regulation or limitation for bounties? I mean there are a lot of grievers in EVE. CCP know this fact. This is why CCP does not allow to spend bounties on CCP’s staff and volunteers.
The current situation is now that too many players have a senseless bounty on their head from some one who was bored or is just an idiot and wants to annoy other players!
This leads to the misleading situation that the current most successful bounty hunters are just simple gankers who killed some one with a (lol) bounty.
Furthermore there are a lot of helping peoples who left your help channels because of the fact, that an idiot spends always a bounty on them if they see them in this channel! Cry

Solution:
Enable a break against grievers who just wants to annoy other people. It should not be possible again to spend a bounty on characters with positive security rating (similar to the restriction from CCP to not spend bounties on CCP). The bounty pool is under control of CONCORD. THE POLICE IN EVE. Why should the police allow to spend bounties on chars which does NEVER EVER something wrong?

Or..
Make it so that a char has just a few possibilities to spend bounties. Some one with more then ten enemies in EVE has other problems in game and RL and do not deserves to spend bounty on every char he has seen in the local / help channel.

I know that a bounty does not enable killrights or something other. THIS is also not the point here.
The question to CCP is: Why do you implement the current mechanic NOW and not years back, as you have started with EVE? Perhaps you know that it is just made for grievers! Blink
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#2 - 2012-12-19 13:27:29 UTC
Alexander Renoir wrote:
Solution:
Enable a break against grievers who just wants to annoy other people. It should not be possible again to spend a bounty on characters with positive security rating (similar to the restriction from CCP to not spend bounties on CCP). The bounty pool is under control of CONCORD. THE POLICE IN EVE. Why should the police allow to spend bounties on chars which does NEVER EVER something wrong?

Your method of determining who deserves a bounty or not, is flawed. CCP intend the bounty to be used for many different purposes, not just putting on the head of pirates.

For instance I was selling an item and some guy kept out-bidding me. Literally as soon as I modify my sell price, he would modify his 0.01 ISK below mine. So I bought one unit from him to find out who it was, placed a bounty on his head, and told him that if he didn't stop out bidding me then I'd place more. This is exactly the kind of thing CCP wants bounties used for.

So sec status cannot be used. How do you determine who is "deserving" of a bounty and who is not?

What's wrong with having a bounty, anyway? I've got 13 mil and never had an issue. By the way the best way to get a big bounty put on your own head, is to make a thread in this forum about bounties.....
Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2012-12-19 14:49:46 UTC
Alexander Renoir wrote:
Solution:
Enable a break against grievers who just wants to annoy other people. It should not be possible again to spend a bounty on characters with positive security rating (similar to the restriction from CCP to not spend bounties on CCP). The bounty pool is under control of CONCORD. THE POLICE IN EVE. Why should the police allow to spend bounties on chars which does NEVER EVER something wrong?
NPC standings are not relevant in regards to the bounty system.
In fact players with +5 in the old system, had bounties. Which gives a clear indication that the NPC standings restriction, on who could have a bounty placed on them, was flawed.

The bounty system is and always was, a player driven standings system. Players place a bounty not because of your NPC standing, but because of their standing towards you. The Devs have even stated they like bounties place because of random feelings of spite.

Linkage.

This change removes the pointless placing of bounties in the past, which could be collected by your own alt and creates more player driven content. More boat violence is never a bad thing.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Alexander Renoir
Covenant Trading Agency
#4 - 2012-12-19 16:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Renoir
Mag's wrote:

This change removes the pointless placing of bounties in the past, which could be collected by your own alt and creates more player driven content. More boat violence is never a bad thing.


I do not say that all new content to the bounty system is crap. But as it is.. NOW there are too much players in game who have a bounty from others WHO just wants to annoy or grieve some one. NOTHING more. There never was a legit reason for most of the bounties currently out there. The current payment restriction is a great idea. REALLY! But the mechanic behind bounty- allocation is just appalling.
I do not mean the sign or something. I know that a bounty not means killright. It is the bounty itself what I hate.

BTW I am not allone:
a response to my open petition wrote:

Hi,
This is a mass reply to all EVE Online players currently with an active petition to customer support in regard to the new bounty system. [...]

there is something wrong if the support team must send a mass reply. Shocked
If all people in EVE would start a thread with this topic they would get a bounty. EXACT what they wants to avoid! SO I hope that there are enough people who sends petitions and a clever GM sends this petition to the responsible person. Or at least a number of annoyed people. What?

Aptenodytes wrote:
By the way the best way to get a big bounty put on your own head, is to make a thread in this forum about bounties.....

Exact what I meant.
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#5 - 2012-12-19 16:48:06 UTC
Alexander Renoir wrote:
Exact what I meant.

Yes, exactly what I meant too. CCP intended bounties to be put on people for any reason that is seen fit. If someone annoys you on a forum then you can put a bounty on them. Many people find people whining about the bounty system, to be annoying. You see that as some "problem" that needs to be "fixed", but it is working as intended.