Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The direct trade window is imo, bugged.

1. Open direct trade with someone.
2. They specify the isk they want to buy the item for (you've previously had a convo as to what is being traded).
3. You drop the item in the window, and press accept.
4. Note, they haven't accepted at this point.
5. They NINJA quick modify the isk being offered.
6. The trade completes automatically without you having any choice to cancel it (happens too fast in less than a second).

To fix this:

Have the following behaviour:

If either side of the agreement changes what they are offering (isk or items) then immediately cancel the "acceptance" status.

I've raised a petition over this, told to raise a bug, and got a "working as intended" response, and told it is a feature request is required, so here it is.

I think it's pretty janky that you can "quick" adjust the isk being offered in a direct trade and essentially steal an item. I would not mind seeing it remedied...

At the same point in time... you can create a secure private contract for 10k isk... It's a small price to pay for the security, and you are either ignorant or moronic not to use it when trading with a stranger.

In short... if it's an easy fix... let it be done... (although perhaps add a 10k isk station trade fee at the same point in time.... ). O.W., we have a viable alternative...

from what i remember, anytime someone changes whatever is being offered in trades, it auto-unchecks your box and u have to reclick it.
odd are, your box wasnt checked and when you went to click it, they ninja'ed right before you pushed the button
you have to watch for that and give them time to mess around. they hope u are chompin at the bit for this "steal" and will just hit accept before they change their mind.

besides, unless you know someone, trades are inherently dangerous. they can link the ship or whatever and change the name so that when you click on it, it reads something else. you trade only to find out u got burned.

i had someone take a navy vexor and change it to where it showed it was a guardian-vexor (75 bill or more item) and offer it up. said he was getting out of game. (who wouldnt want a kewl exclusive ship?) i agreed and he opened a window.
i right clicked and hit info to inspect it and make SURE it was a guardian-vexor and it showed a guardian-vexor. dont ask me how he did it, but he did. when i got it and jumped in, it showed a navy vexor. he changed the name to Guardian-Vexor, but when i clicked on it, it linked to a g-vexor and not a navy vexor..dont ask me.

if you dont wanna take a billion isk burn like i did, make them repackage it and put it in a contract. if they wont, it isnt a legit trade (for the most part). if its a rigged ship, a contract will tell you what it is and not show its name. again, if they wont contract it, you probably dont want it.

@ Minty and Mole...

I'm pretty sure you can ninja the interface, so it shows you are receiving 1b when in reality they put in 1m isk... or some such nonsense... Essentially, there is a lag-bug in the trade window that allows a scammer to alter the isk quantity being traded without the mark being notified. When the scam is performed correctly, on the mark's screen, it will indicate they are getting the isk they wanted. However, if the mark completes the trade they will not get what is showing on the trade window, and usually get stuck with a loss.

Essentially, NEVER, EVER do station trades for isk with a person you don't trust.... NEVER EVER EVER....

I never get why people do station trading anyway. Just use the market or a contract. The only people who use station trading are either transferring stuff between friends/alts/corpies, and scammers. I thought everyone knows this already? Why would you use a trade window and open yourself up to all kinds of mistakes, exploits and scams?

scamming is apart of the eve ambience. And unlike your say "bulk minerals scam contract" you have to whip out excel to see your are getting screwed trade scam is neither complex or subtle. It slaps you in the face.


like said above a few times....don't use trade with strangers

100/100 times its a scam.

When bored and I saw a real good trade deal I'd talk to said trader. I first ask hey buddy, put that in a contract and we got a deal. I usually get some sob story about why they can't. Best one I heard was I stole this from a corp and can't have a sale traced to him. Corp thief who doesn't have the secret fence in jita...don't think so.

One time it was a nice deal tbh. So nice I said hey buddy....your asking price + 50 mil right here right now. No contract was put up.

There is no legit trader in this game with maxed contracts who has a contract for a cheesy item he won't break for a 50 mil profit over his asking price.

1. if someone changes the price on you (after you click accept), it will invalidate your accept. (Or used to anyway)
2. DON'T CLICK ACCEPT BEFORE THE ISK IS IN THE WINDOW.
3. Contract.

"use a contract" is not a valid response to this. New players can easily get scammed because of this and there is no way of learning about it until it has happened to you. Any change in items/isk value should remove both parties "accept" and not allow a trade for 5 seconds, this would eliminate any lag issues and make sure both parties are getting what they want.