EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi all. Can someone tell me, or give me a link to find out, what skills I need to pick up and in what order, for a miner? I see a lot of mining guides that are extremely in depth, but I can't tell if they are out dated, and I dont see a list of what the best skills are, and in what order I should train them. Thanks :)

Industry
Science
Mining
Refining
Refinery Efficiency
Astrogeology
Mining Upgrades
Mining Frigate
Mining Barge
Exhumers

Your ship progression for mining is:

Venture (mining frigate)
Retriever (mining barge)
Mackinaw (exhumer)

Open the Market interface and search for each of these ships, then click the blue Info icon and switch to the Prerequisites tab. It will list the skills required to fly these ships.

Then switch to the Recommended tab, and you'll see a bunch of Certificates. The certificates are groups of skills that you must train, and when you do you automatically get certified. Open your character sheet and switch to the Certificates section, and look around the flow charts for the skills. These are recommended skills for these ships.

In addition to pure mining / industry skills, you also need two things:

1. The ability to fly an Industrial ship such as Bager Mark II (find it in the market, look at its prerequisites) so you can move your ore to the market hub to sell.

2. You need to toughen up your ship so it's not such an easy prey, by training support skills:

Engineering gives you more energy and shields.
Electronics gives you more CPU (important for mining ships), and better targetting.
Mechanics gives you more armor, hull, and the ability to fit ship rigs.
Navigation makes your ships faster.
Drones - Scout Drones lets you fit a few drones to defend your otherwise unarmed ships.
Trade lets you put more buy/sell orders on the market and with reduced taxes.

Thank you. This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. All the guides out there are so in depth that I can't even figure out what they are telling me to do. This will be a good place for me to start, and maybe once I know what the heck I'm doing, I'll try reading the guides out there again. Much appreciated.

I'd suggest also getting hull upgrades and shield management.

One boosts armour hp and the other shield hp by 5% per level. Might not stop you gettting ganked, but it'll make them work for it (and it might save you. maybe). Hull upgrades 4 also gives you access to the damage control II and reinforced bulkheads modules. Very handy, if you're in a ship with a lot of structure HP. 60% resists aren't to be sneezed at.

You'll probably also want Tactical Shield Manipulation 4, so you can fit tech 2 shield hardeners/amplifiers.

If ships have arrived on grid, they already know you are there, and you're too close to an asteroid to cloak. Mine aligned to somewhere else so you can warp faster. I suppose you might be able to pull that off if you noticed them as they started warping to the system, but I wouldn't count on it. Or if you just safed up and cloaked when you saw people come into local and went to eat a sandwich to see if they leave by then.


Taxes aren't the point. The point is "Only go into mining if you would mine for free - because you sure as heck aren't going to make much ISK mining."

Also the ore-specific refining skills, eg

Veldspar Processing,
Scordite Processing,
etc
for all ores that you mine.

Firstly it allows perfect refine without needing Refinery Efficiency 5 (which is a long train), secondly you need them for mining crystals.

I'd also add the Mining Drones skill, plus Drone Interfacing.

HAHAHAHA

And you think that corp taxes are applied to miners.

Do your homework...

Corp taxes are applied to:

* Mission rewards
* Mission bonus rewards
* Bounty prices you get from killing NPC rats.

NOT on mining amounts
NOT on selling stuff on market (those are NPC taxes which can be lowered through skills and standings).

And bounties from killing other players.

I think you've missed the point though. The point being, that if you wouldn't do the activity for 0 ISK, then you're playing EVE wrong. It should not be treated like a 2nd job; it is a game.

Although, I think pretty much every ISK-earning activity would fail that test. I quite like missions (call me weird if you like), but would I do them for free? No.

Not usually. Certainly not in any of the trade hubs. It may happen occasionally in some areas, but it's not the norm.

Sure, if your refining skills suck, it's better to sell ore. Once you've got perfect refine then it's better to refine and sell minerals

What I read the previous comment to mean was 'don't bother training refining at all, because ore sells higher than its minerals, even if you were refining at 100% efficiency'