EVE General Discussion

also i have never felt like a dead weight im pretty fuckin awesome

I have not read the rest of this thread, as I hear it is a bad one. However, I was linked to this post and it struck me as similar enough to myself to reply.

For whatever reason, I was the only one of my kind within goons. There were other rich goons before me, but they were simply rich, or EFFORT. I abhor effort so tend to only focus on ISK:EFFORT or making markets, not reacting to them.

For the past 2 1/2 years, I have been teaching goons in a jabber channel all they could learn about EVE markets, the economy, and how to manipulate, speculate. Even the ones that didn't learn anything would profit greatly by just buying and selling when told. For all of this effort, I have only one other person like myself to show for it, (Mynnna/Corestwo). Then another handful of guys who have specific areas of expertise (Dramaticus), or a financial role(Weaselior).

So starting alone, and creating a cabal of guys that can move the EVE economy at will. With a personality. type that doesn't lend itself to making friends. The EVE sandbox is complex enough now to work magic in gaming. But you need help to do so.

Learn to make friends.

ahem it wan't you who discovered guidance systems buddy

My corp did not make large use of T1 frigs, nor of fleets of Drakes.

I was a new-ish player with 50M ISK in bank at the time and I used an Hurricane and Cyclone (no ship loss reimbursement at that time).
Sure they weren't titans but that was more daring to someone using a battleship with ship reimbursement program plus 2B ISK in bank.

hurricanes and cyclones insured nearly perfectly back then

plus you apparently got cold feet about even those losses pronto

"Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose", with all of 50M to my name I was quite close.

Supercap production and capital production are a function of game mechanics and while in the domain of industry are not what this thread is about at all. What about the npc-0.0 industrialist? What about the lowsec industrialist? What about the WH industrialist? These people all face more risk than the highsec industrialist yet receive far less reward why should they too be due less reward than a highsec industrialist? All good questions that you probably shouldn't bring up because they destroy your argument.

That bold part is important, it is bad that people who go the extra effort to make friends and risk their fortunes in infrastructure used to produce have no advantage over the solo highsec industrialist. It is an incentive against player interactions in an MMO, which I'm sure you'll agree is bad. CCP certainly does when they stated that players who find corporations (social groups) they like are far more likely to stay with EVE than players who do not find corporations (social groups) that they like. I'll say it again the fact that nullsec industrialists require social interaction (diplomacy) to operate at all is a good reason to warrant a nerf to the entirety of highsec's industrial capabilities.

E: These forums need comic sans

"Nerf him because I'm better than he is" is the worst argument for a change to the game, and that's essentially what you are saying.

Access to features is a benefit. Some features cost more than others. The cost of being able to build supercapital ships in a system includes having crap-all other industry there. Maybe that will change with the POS updates. Maybe it won't, but highsec industry won't get the kind of nerf you want, nor have you made a convincing case as to why it should.

again with this thread? The op here is forwarding a premise that is not true, that CCP are going to nerf high sec out of need or just because. It apparently will be for the same typical political falsehood of reason that states that “you are poor because someone else has too much money." Second, another blatant political tact, it misrepresents the opposition stance in order more easily combat them or make them look petty.

The truth is:

High sec earnings have already been cut quite a bit. There is no reason to blame high sec for the problems of other sectors in eve.

Why change high sec more? Goon-swarm has already proven that high sec is neither safe nor pvp free. In doing so, yes, they over played their hand - making high sec actually more dangerous than null sec in many ways. This caused many to complain that the value of high sec should actually be restored to its former glory. Instead, CCP chose to revamp industrial ships, a move that was long overdue. Still, the value is lower in high sec and the activity is not as full featured as other regions.

There is no reason to make high sec and null sec similar... In fact, the game is more interesting with regions that have very different play and rules regarding that play.

Low Sec cannot be "fixed" by changing either null sec or high sec. There are many reasons low sec is what it is... not the least of which is that many null sec players like it the way it is. It provides a no man’s land buffer between their space and the general population.

I actually think there is room for one more layer/region of space - the “gigantic outer galaxy” where there are no gates, no local chat of any kind, and no pos/outpost possible; the dangers there should be extreme... read: not pirates/player on player danger as much as other dangers. Every celestial body should need be scanned down to find. …In this place there could be very dangerous activities that could lead to more wealth for the lucky. There should also be SOS or distress beacons added to ships...so players could have a last resort to open chat with people who may be near enough to help. Put it on the outside of null sec, giving null sectarians a good reason to be there and giving others reason to try to blockade run or usurp null sec space. This would require a whole lot of new ideas and new types of play …which I would heartily welcome.


Anyway, quit picking on high sec ..it's not the reasons for your woes.