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why i am done with eve

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explorer chaos
Abananax
#1 - 2012-12-18 06:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: explorer chaos
let me start by saying yes i am but hurt and yes tears are involved.
loss mails to start so here you go:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18256048#mail
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18256050#mail


eve fails and this is why i think it does:
i have played eve for over 3 years was first war dec'ed after i had only been playing 2 months or so went on for over a month, i died lots and lots in what i could fly at the time (not many people will try to fight war deccers full stop)

thought it wasn't too bad as i was young so expected to die in pvp, however i have tried everything from wormholes to incursions to care baring running lvl 4 missions and a bit of null to make isk to try and better myself both SP wise and what ships i have to use in case of pvp.

but guess what? dosent matter what you can or do fly you will still ALWAYS get blobbed and lose whatever it is you are flying within a matter of 0-2 minutes!

this is where the game fails

people want more people to risk their stuff in pvp but if say to fit a t2 bc it takes 80-100 mill depending on you're fit and you will end up dying in a minute or so to make the isk in game even running incursions you are looking at at least 1 hour, want to fly something more expensive? still going to die in the same time but spend a lot more time playing to just make isk to pay for it.

this is why i am done with this game, i have played for over 3 years have 46 mill SP and you know what i have to show for it? 130 mill isk no assets of value no ships capable of lvl 4's or making isk of any kind nothing.
that is why i am done with eve, because yes HTFU don't fly what you cant afford to lose etc but if i didn't fly anything bigger that a bc after 3 years what is the point in playing? and when you try to pvp guess what you die within a minute,

the only way to be successful in this game is to outnumber you're opponent by far or spend RL money on plexes to pay for your next ship.

/rant over
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
#2 - 2012-12-18 06:46:35 UTC
Your stuff....send it my way please.

Thank you and see you soon. Tuuduluu Big smile
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-18 06:48:25 UTC
o7 pilot, never stop blobbing.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-12-18 06:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
explorer chaos wrote:
if i didn't fly anything bigger that a bc after 3 years what is the point in playing?
Well, that depends. What do you want the point to be?

If you look at it as a game of “get the bigger ship”, then yes, that kind of progress is perhaps a bit anaemic. If you define the game as “start a well-established corp”, then what you can fly is completely irrelevant. If you want the point to be “beat the other guy”, then the size of your ship also becomes meaningless, because this is EVE and bigger isn't better, so yes, being blown up in 2 minutes regardless of what you're in is pretty much by design. The point is that you decide what the point in playing is, so that question is one that only you can (and have to) answer for yourself.

For my purposes, it's an utterly nonsensical and non-sequitur question. I decided early on to never train anything that requires a battleship skill, and here I am, five years on, and can't fly anything bigger than a BC — after all, what's the point in doing that? Anything bigger than a BC is just slow and lumbering and for sissies…
explorer chaos
Abananax
#5 - 2012-12-18 06:59:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
explorer chaos wrote:
if i didn't fly anything bigger that a bc after 3 years what is the point in playing?
Well, that depends. What do you want the point to be?

If you look at it as a game of “get the bigger ship”, then yes, that kind of progress is perhaps a bit anaemic. If you define the game as “start a well-established corp”, then what you can fly is completely irrelevant. The point is that you decide what the point in playing is, so that question is only one you can (and have to) answer for yourself.

For my purposes, it's an utterly nonsensical question. I decided early on to never train anything that requires a battleship skill, and here I am, five years on, and can't fly anything bigger than a BC — after all, what's the point in doing that? Anything bigger than a BC is just slow and lumbering and for sissies…


that is also one of my points, ican fly 3 races bs's but don't as i like movabilty rather than sitting almost still

but if i cannot afford to fly anything smaller than bc and lose occasionaly/ kill occasionally how am i suppose to pvp?
as it is at the moment i dont even have enough to update my clone since i got podded earlier Oops even if i was to undock without an updataed clone how am i supposed to make any isk worth mentioning my skills don't/cant allow me to trade profitably yet plus i dont have the patience to adjust orders every couple of minutes. so what can i do?
Cynthia Gallente
Phoenix Foundry
New Eden Syndicate
#6 - 2012-12-18 07:05:34 UTC
can i have your account?

Post with your lick™

explorer chaos
Abananax
#7 - 2012-12-18 07:07:05 UTC
Cynthia Gallente wrote:
can i have your account?


against EULA
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2012-12-18 07:07:37 UTC
explorer chaos wrote:
but if i cannot afford to fly anything smaller than bc and lose occasionaly/ kill occasionally how am i suppose to pvp?


Find friends to PvP with. Don't go into dangerous space alone until you know what you are doing PvP-wise. As a start you might ask the people who blew you up about whether they can help you learn to be a better PvP pilot: will they take you into their corporation? It might seem like a crazy idea, but you already know that they play the same time that you do, so you know they'll be around when you're playing. It doesn't hurt to ask: the worst that will happen is they will laugh at you, place a billion ISK bounty on your head and hunt you down to the end of the world. But they very well might take you in and give you a chance to soar.

You could also start trying to PvP in cheaper ships than a Legion. What about getting into Faction Warfare and flying frigates for a while? Frigates are far cheaper than cruisers (strategic or otherwise), so you can afford to learn a few lessons the hard way.

Don't give up just because you made a few mistakes. Learn from the mistakes and most importantly try to build a support network: not necessarily friends who will fly with you, but at least people whose advice leads to further success.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-18 07:10:25 UTC
explorer chaos wrote:
HTFU don't fly what you cant afford to lose etc


Here, have my like for spelling "lose" correctly.

Good luck and I hope you'll enjoy your next game more.
explorer chaos
Abananax
#10 - 2012-12-18 07:13:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
explorer chaos wrote:
but if i cannot afford to fly anything smaller than bc and lose occasionaly/ kill occasionally how am i suppose to pvp?


Find friends to PvP with. Don't go into dangerous space alone until you know what you are doing PvP-wise. As a start you might ask the people who blew you up about whether they can help you learn to be a better PvP pilot: will they take you into their corporation? It might seem like a crazy idea, but you already know that they play the same time that you do, so you know they'll be around when you're playing. It doesn't hurt to ask: the worst that will happen is they will laugh at you, place a billion ISK bounty on your head and hunt you down to the end of the world. But they very well might take you in and give you a chance to soar.

You could also start trying to PvP in cheaper ships than a Legion. What about getting into Faction Warfare and flying frigates for a while? Frigates are far cheaper than cruisers (strategic or otherwise), so you can afford to learn a few lessons the hard way.

Don't give up just because you made a few mistakes. Learn from the mistakes and most importantly try to build a support network: not necessarily friends who will fly with you, but at least people whose advice leads to further success.



i was in FW before the changes (changes made it worse e.g no docking in most systems) i was actually running radars in that wh in the leigon to try and make some isk so i could get a pvp ship or 2 if you look at my killboard: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=explorer+chaos i am not averse to pvp but to be able to pvp and have fun you need isk :/
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-18 07:14:04 UTC
explorer chaos wrote:

that is also one of my points, ican fly 3 races bs's but don't as i like movabilty rather than sitting almost still

but if i cannot afford to fly anything smaller than bc and lose occasionaly/ kill occasionally how am i suppose to pvp?
as it is at the moment i dont even have enough to update my clone since i got podded earlier Oops even if i was to undock without an updataed clone how am i supposed to make any isk worth mentioning my skills don't/cant allow me to trade profitably yet plus i dont have the patience to adjust orders every couple of minutes. so what can i do?


It sounds like you are trying to solo pvp, and solo pvp is probably one of the most difficult things to do in the game as it stands right now. So few ships are capable of doing it consistently and very few of those are big ships.

In general the key is to be in a group, move quickly and hit hard (with a bit of ewar thrown in for good measure). That's why you see so many Talos and Tornadoes running around null sec.

If you really want to solo I'd suggest getting into something like a Wolf and go hunting. You have to expect things to go south in a fight and being able to gtfo when it does is basically essential. Once you have gotten confidence with a Wolf you can buy something like a Cynabal which can take on much bigger targets.

As for how you get money... well that's a tough one. Most pvp'ers have pve alts that fund their pvp since pvp in itself is an expensive business (unless you're a pirate and a good one).

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#12 - 2012-12-18 07:14:13 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
You could also start trying to PvP in cheaper ships than a Legion. What about getting into Faction Warfare and flying frigates for a while? Frigates are far cheaper than cruisers (strategic or otherwise), so you can afford to learn a few lessons the hard way.

... PVPing in a Legion. Wow. Must've been a nice killmail for someone.

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Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-18 07:22:32 UTC
That legion killmail indicates you were doing mini-professions in 0.0... without a cloaking device. There's yer problem right there Pirate

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.

explorer chaos
Abananax
#14 - 2012-12-18 07:24:13 UTC
Galphii wrote:
That legion killmail indicates you were doing mini-professions in 0.0... without a cloaking device. There's yer problem right there Pirate


it was a wh btw and was trying to do radars yea, should have had a cloack but didnt see them on dscan untill i was already pinned :(
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-18 07:24:51 UTC
Looks like you've been flying way above what you can afford for a long time.

Since you already mentioned that your stuff is worthless, I will not ask you for it, instead some tips out of my head:

1. Wtf is wrong with your corp? They let you fly expensive t3s and then laugh in your face when you get blown up until you are broke?
If this impression is true, you should look for an other corp, one that either has a ship replacement program or one whose fleet doctrines do not always involve ships that cost > 1 B

2. A skilled combat pilot with your amount of SP and 150 M should have no problems to grind his money back up. Heck, if everything else fails, just sell a plex on the market, get yourself a fully fit NApoc and grind level 4s like a boss.

3. If you like pvp to be your main focus, you will lose money and need some kind of steady income from other sources.
Remember that all the pvp corps are looking for "self-sufficient" pilots?
So either ship down in future, get yourself an indy alt, train some moneymaking skills with your main (mostly PI or Invention, Mining is to time consuming and boring) or buy plex regularily and convert them into isk.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-18 07:26:39 UTC
explorer chaos wrote:
let me start by saying yes i am but hurt and yes tears are involved.
loss mails to start so here you go:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18256048#mail
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18256050#mail


eve fails and this is why i think it does:
i have played eve for over 3 years was first war dec'ed after i had only been playing 2 months or so went on for over a month, i died lots and lots in what i could fly at the time (not many people will try to fight war deccers full stop)

thought it wasn't too bad as i was young so expected to die in pvp, however i have tried everything from wormholes to incursions to care baring running lvl 4 missions and a bit of null to make isk to try and better myself both SP wise and what ships i have to use in case of pvp.

but guess what? dosent matter what you can or do fly you will still ALWAYS get blobbed and lose whatever it is you are flying within a matter of 0-2 minutes!

this is where the game fails

people want more people to risk their stuff in pvp but if say to fit a t2 bc it takes 80-100 mill depending on you're fit and you will end up dying in a minute or so to make the isk in game even running incursions you are looking at at least 1 hour, want to fly something more expensive? still going to die in the same time but spend a lot more time playing to just make isk to pay for it.

this is why i am done with this game, i have played for over 3 years have 46 mill SP and you know what i have to show for it? 130 mill isk no assets of value no ships capable of lvl 4's or making isk of any kind nothing.
that is why i am done with eve, because yes HTFU don't fly what you cant afford to lose etc but if i didn't fly anything bigger that a bc after 3 years what is the point in playing? and when you try to pvp guess what you die within a minute,

the only way to be successful in this game is to outnumber you're opponent by far or spend RL money on plexes to pay for your next ship.

/rant over


Your English is really bad.
This might come as a complete surprise to you, but EVE is a multiplayer game. Why are you complaining about other people violencing your ships in a multiplayer game? It's clear that the real issue is your inability to make friends.

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explorer chaos
Abananax
#17 - 2012-12-18 07:31:40 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Looks like you've been flying way above what you can afford for a long time.

Since you already mentioned that your stuff is worthless, I will not ask you for it, instead some tips out of my head:

1. Wtf is wrong with your corp? They let you fly expensive t3s and then laugh in your face when you get blown up until you are broke?
If this impression is true, you should look for an other corp, one that either has a ship replacement program or one whose fleet doctrines do not always involve ships that cost > 1 B

2. A skilled combat pilot with your amount of SP and 150 M should have no problems to grind his money back up. Heck, if everything else fails, just sell a plex on the market, get yourself a fully fit NApoc and grind level 4s like a boss.

3. If you like pvp to be your main focus, you will lose money and need some kind of steady income from other sources.
Remember that all the pvp corps are looking for "self-sufficient" pilots?
So either ship down in future, get yourself an indy alt, train some moneymaking skills with your main (mostly PI or Invention, Mining is to time consuming and boring) or buy plex regularily and convert them into isk.



nothing wrong with the corp as such, everyone does there own thing mostly.

i could get a harb or something and grind lvl 3's or something untill i have enough for a lvl 4 ship i guess but well a napoc fitted will cost me 550 mill or there abouts :/

i dont always want to be flying frigates for pvp yes they are fun but die 9 times out of 10 even if you have a blob behind you, and i also dont want to be paying for every ship with plex brought from RL cash i may aswell go play one of the many other mmo's out there which if i was pvp'ing by plex would most likely work out cheaper even if i did lose my stuff every time i died
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#18 - 2012-12-18 07:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Calm down man, you play more than 3 years long and now you discovery that EvE is about blob and solo pvp die long time ago .. a bit to late ;/ dude chill, get a break form EvE and you always wecome here :) people lose ships every days, personaly i got over 10bil loses on my all accounts while pvp etc, sicnce 2006, my average isk lose per moth is like 150-300mil isk... I know how you feel after losing a ship... Losing ship is horrible trauma for everyone but for short period of time.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.

explorer chaos
Abananax
#19 - 2012-12-18 07:33:41 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
explorer chaos wrote:
let me start by saying yes i am but hurt and yes tears are involved.
loss mails to start so here you go:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18256048#mail
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18256050#mail


eve fails and this is why i think it does:
i have played eve for over 3 years was first war dec'ed after i had only been playing 2 months or so went on for over a month, i died lots and lots in what i could fly at the time (not many people will try to fight war deccers full stop)

thought it wasn't too bad as i was young so expected to die in pvp, however i have tried everything from wormholes to incursions to care baring running lvl 4 missions and a bit of null to make isk to try and better myself both SP wise and what ships i have to use in case of pvp.

but guess what? dosent matter what you can or do fly you will still ALWAYS get blobbed and lose whatever it is you are flying within a matter of 0-2 minutes!

this is where the game fails

people want more people to risk their stuff in pvp but if say to fit a t2 bc it takes 80-100 mill depending on you're fit and you will end up dying in a minute or so to make the isk in game even running incursions you are looking at at least 1 hour, want to fly something more expensive? still going to die in the same time but spend a lot more time playing to just make isk to pay for it.

this is why i am done with this game, i have played for over 3 years have 46 mill SP and you know what i have to show for it? 130 mill isk no assets of value no ships capable of lvl 4's or making isk of any kind nothing.
that is why i am done with eve, because yes HTFU don't fly what you cant afford to lose etc but if i didn't fly anything bigger that a bc after 3 years what is the point in playing? and when you try to pvp guess what you die within a minute,

the only way to be successful in this game is to outnumber you're opponent by far or spend RL money on plexes to pay for your next ship.

/rant over


Your English is really bad.
This might come as a complete surprise to you, but EVE is a multiplayer game. Why are you complaining about other people violencing your ships in a multiplayer game? It's clear that the real issue is your inability to make friends.



17-1 odds are fair? i would'nt give a **** if it was even 5v1 but there must be a fair limit somewhere.
also not everyone is in an aliance with thousands of members
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-12-18 07:33:48 UTC
explorer chaos wrote:
this is why i am done with this game, i have played for over 3 years have 46 mill SP and you know what i have to show for it? 130 mill isk no assets of value no ships capable of lvl 4's or making isk of any kind nothing.


feel free to transfer the 130M to my character, no need for them to go to waste.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

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