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FW: Fix AWOXing!!!!!

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#21 - 2012-12-12 18:49:48 UTC
Dzajic wrote:


Btw Caldari, you appear to be running out of systems. Enjoy not being able to dock anywhere in lowsec, Soon(tm).

What do you mean? We are all switching to frog side so we can dock, farm and AWOX. It's like christmas morning over here. Tier 5 for life.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac

Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#22 - 2012-12-12 22:20:02 UTC
Just stop it!

A few people doing it, and some well known corps, it would take nothing to wardec them if you, or the noobs of Kamela as a whole has a problem with them. Of course it is easier to rant on forums, than run 1 mission to pay for wardec fee.

You bring shame to Amarr Militia. Sad
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-12-13 08:13:25 UTC
A lil bit off but also on topic:
I had an idea today and if it works I think it should be considered as exploit (although using offgrid boosters is exploiting too in my opinion).
For example:
1.) Haul each 100 stasis webifier 1, warp scrambler 1, cheap blaster into the warzone where you can dock.
2.) Create militia alt, join hostile militia, start to web scram and shoot friendly (with my main: hostile) militia. Rookie ship shoould be enough.
3.) Hostile militia needs to shot you and looses standings.
4.) If your toon is known simply create new toon.
5.) Procees until target militia gets kicked from militia due to loss of standings.

Would that work? I would not post it here if I would know that I am mostly dealing with mature people but actually I am really playing "sociopath online" and before some `?!$ยง(/& gets the idea doing that (especialy against amarr militia because I have the feeling that minmatar militia consists mostly of 10year old children) I better post it here.
If it works it needs a quick fix because it is a highly dangerous exploit then.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-12-13 08:14:34 UTC
Quote:

What do you mean? We are all switching to frog side so we can dock, farm and AWOX. It's like christmas morning over here. Tier 5 for life.


Always enjoy it when people want to play simply the game^^

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#25 - 2012-12-15 23:22:24 UTC
Wait second . . . Let me get this straight. I can sign up, say for amarr militia and shoot as many Minnie AND Caldari as I want? Isn't that basically pvp Christmas all over high sec (and parts of low, I guess)???

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#26 - 2012-12-16 00:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Clarifying what's going on...

The root of the issue: Retribution changed the "in my militia" overview state to "in my militia or one allied to mine".

What the issue is:

  • Shooting neutrals gives you a Suspect Flag (used to be GCC) .
  • Shooting people in your own militia (blues) gives you Suspect Flag (used to be GCC) and docks your standings with your militia to discourage shooting allies.
  • Shooting people in an allied militia (now also blues) only gives you a Suspect flag (used to be GCC), and does not penalize you for shooting allies.


Previous to Retribution, the third bullet point did not exist, as allied militia just showed up as neutral. The lack of differentiation between "my militia" and "allied militia" is making it unclear who is shootable and with what consequences.

OP, you could take this issue to the CSM or Features & Ideas to get addressed.

Please keep the comments constructive.

ISD LackOfFaith

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von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-12-16 04:23:01 UTC
Thanks, i submitted a ticket before, didn't know were to post it so i did here. I forwarded this to the Assembly Hall now, Thanks for the help.

von Khan

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#28 - 2012-12-17 07:33:20 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Trolls, trolls and pathetic excuses for griefers everywhere.

With current (hopelessly broken) standing system you lose faction standing when shooting at "fellow" militia members even if they have aggroed you first, and have suspect timer and limited engagement timer with you. You still lose faction standings by just shooting back.

Btw Caldari, you appear to be running out of systems. Enjoy not being able to dock anywhere in lowsec, Soon(tm).
old information ... card turned in last weeks ....
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#29 - 2012-12-17 09:51:08 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Clarifying what's going on...

The root of the issue: Retribution changed the "in my militia" overview state to "in my militia or one allied to mine".

What the issue is:

  • Shooting neutrals gives you a Suspect Flag (used to be GCC) .
  • Shooting people in your own militia (blues) gives you Suspect Flag (used to be GCC) and docks your standings with your militia to discourage shooting allies.
  • Shooting people in an allied militia (now also blues) only gives you a Suspect flag (used to be GCC), and does not penalize you for shooting allies.


Previous to Retribution, the third bullet point did not exist, as allied militia just showed up as neutral. The lack of differentiation between "my militia" and "allied militia" is making it unclear who is shootable and with what consequences.

OP, you could take this issue to the CSM or Features & Ideas to get addressed.

Please keep the comments constructive.


Still allows 1 week blast in case u use some throwaway corp ....
Dzajic
#30 - 2012-12-17 11:01:45 UTC
What do you mean "old information". Don't you dare say my info on game mechanics and prominent FW players from summer of 2008 is obsolete, don't break my heart man.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#31 - 2012-12-17 11:25:13 UTC
CCP made new crimewatch and forgot that militia exists when they did it Roll
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#32 - 2012-12-18 04:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
I will warn you right now that AWOX-ing already has a tried-and-true, player-driven solution. Wardec the offending individuals if they are in a player corp, set standings and overview to view them as red, and eke revenge as necessary. I personally do not believe in an any kind of contrived mechanic to prevent purple-on-purple attacks. This is EVE Online, unsolicited PvP is everywhere, Faction Warfare should be no exception.

That being said, the OP has a point in that labeling two factions the same color while having differing standings penalties is confusing, and against the stated purpose of Crimewatch 2.0 which is to make rules and penalties crystal clear. I will speak to CCP about this and in the meantime, situational awareness is everything. Remember - no amount of visual distinction between militias will tell you who's about to AWOX you. I think the solution here lies more in the standings penalty than trying to encourage people to rely on someone's color to warn you of danger.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#33 - 2012-12-18 04:48:06 UTC
I'd like to point out that, for a more official venue for discussion, von Khan reposted this issue in Assembly Hall.

Also, Hans, the wardec solution does not work for those in NPC FW corps (TLF, 24IC, FDU, STPRO) since wardecs are not something they can declare or receive.

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#34 - 2012-12-18 05:03:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
As someone who DGAF about my security status

The 'allied' militia are neutrals as far as I'm concerned seeing as attacking them doesn't hit your militia standings. The thing that annoys me is I can't seperate them on my overview (unless you guys and gals know of a way i can?) as they are treated as 'allies'.

I'm amarr and the caldari militia is fair game to me unless my corp/alliance has blue standing with specific corps/alliances in calmil or I know them and have personal blue standing towards them.


EDIT: I'll move this to the 'offical' thread

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#35 - 2012-12-18 14:17:16 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
I'd like to point out that, for a more official venue for discussion, von Khan reposted this issue in Assembly Hall.

Also, Hans, the wardec solution does not work for those in NPC FW corps (TLF, 24IC, FDU, STPRO) since wardecs are not something they can declare or receive.


Nobody doing this is in NPC corps, as you get kicked very soon. People use their own corps for this for years now.
Gah'Matar
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#36 - 2012-12-20 16:31:18 UTC
Zoe Panala wrote:
Nobody doing this is in NPC corps, as you get kicked very soon. People use their own corps for this for years now.


LackOfFaith was alluding to the victims that are in NPC corp having no option to wardec AWOXING player corps.

So when I was in 24th Imperial Crusade, I could not retaliate. Now that I have my own FW corp, I can wardec. This is however an annoying mechanic.

Of course no one awoxes from NPC corp.

This could be fixed by making it so no corp may remain in FW if they have a player with -5 or below faction standing and check this every downtime. So awoxers would trigger corp kick quickly.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-21 15:33:24 UTC
this issue is why some militias find it difficult for corps to be confident with working with other corps and individuals, this is why esp for the amarr with its lower numbers, hard to combine its efforts safely and respectfully.

solving the issue however, since FW is low sec, is basically impossible, sadly.

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von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-12-25 19:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
This is the answer to my ticket.

Edit: Snipped.

Sorry, you're not allowed to post GM communications directly, you may only paraphrase it.

ISD Suvetar

von Khan

Zenethalos
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-12-25 19:20:24 UTC
I have been doing FW with Gal now for about 3 days. I joined a reputable corp and have been instructed to fly with only certain other corps. Not heeding this warning I joined a small plex fleet with a few vanilla militia members. First plex almost done, then I get tackled by a friendly. Thinking it was a mistake I ask him wtf on comms, no response and then a neut jumps in and they finish me off.

My first day in I had two guys offer to scout my hauler in for me. Figured it was safe as they were in a small corp that was on the board with some decent kills. As soon as we hit lowsec they tried to scram me on a gate. Luckily I was not a stupid hauler and had stabs and a tank just in case.

Rather annoying. The best solution is to fly smart and only work with those that have a good reputation.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-12-28 21:32:36 UTC
Trust no one
shoot first
shoot anyone that comes within scram range

just becouse ppl in same or allied millitia doesnt make them friendlys just another target unless you know them and fly with them regulary

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it

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