Warfare & Tactics

You can use fast moving long range ships to counter almost anything. Do not get tackled is the most important thing.

So it does not matter if you do not have counter to actual bridging if you can avoid getting tackled.

Yet again, it's one of the things required, but long-term balancing can not be limited to just that.

.. an aircraft carrier sending off aircraft for combat while being surrounded by a support fleet essentially shielding and protecting it.. yea that is nothing like being in a POS.

Exactly. Always the same thing.
That's why titan bridging needs to change.

On a side note, my fleet got hotdropped twice (or three times hum) yesterday.
We were followed by a very obvious pilgrim. We jumped a few gates to see if he was still following us (he was).
On a gate was a random maller. We jumped. While aligning out, the maller decided to attack our little 15-pilots gang.
I was flying my pr0-celestis-of-d00m and damped the sh*t out of him.
Then the pilgrim jumped, cloaked and immediatly uncloak and lit a cyno, blam blam here's a fleet ohhiguiz. He got damped too, unable to keep his points. We escaped with no loss. I have no idea if the maller was part of the trap, a bait-ship for another fleet or a little cruiser having suicidal tendencies.
Two systems later, the FW blobbers tried to bridge us (maybe from Ushra'Khan/so-called "antipirates", or the Fweddits, I don't remember) but we were sitting on a FW plex, so they had to open the cyno on a station and then to warp to us). We tried to hold our ground, but they were twice our side and we left 4 battlecruisers behind, three of them were on their first day as "pirates" and probably made mistakes (at least they learnt a lot that night).

The difference ? We got more than a few seconds to make a choice, even if in both cases, we had no chance to win the fight.

What's the lesson here ? Bridges aren't a "I win" magic button. They still need competent pilots. But they are far too powerful, allowing id--- bad players, as good players, to catch people easily, effortless and with very limited risks.

The local channel and the dscan are intel tools that help getting somewhat "fair fights" (as far as "fair" goes in EVE, right). When the odds are way off-scale, only a bridge will do the trick. We won't brawl on a cyno : maybe only half the fleet jumped and committing to the fight would be a complete slaughter. And because I don't like seeing Fon's nighthawks getting hotdropped, but it seems you stopped doing that a while ago :p

This Kind of Reminds me of the whole logoff tactic, where someone would leave a bait ship, people would attack it, then 10 to 50 people would all logon at the same time, warp to 0, then blast the enemy...

.... I actually don't quite know the difference between that and the titan bridge.....

Hot drop's should not have been a tactic. Yes it is cool and spacelike... but the implication's are causing more grief than it is worth.

I wonder what would happen if they removed hot dropping from lowsec, and made it nullsec only... I'm sure there has been tons of "no supercaps in lowsec" arguments out there though.

It has to be modified, possibly removed. It was more fun to roam around than to wait in a POS for the guy to say "jump and own". I wonder who the real carebears are.

"haha we are in our POS shields with 50 guys, we have a group of 8 people and were following them!!!! We OwnZ!!!!"
"random guy in fleet: Hey why don't we just take 10 guys and warp over to them and brawl?!?!"
"fleet commander: What are you a Noob.. We Might LOSE something. We Lose Nothing, Wait in POS, Cry like a Baby, and DO what I say, We will own them cause We are AweSome, have five times their fleet, protected by our shield, and can jump them at will. Why the HECK would I bother running around in space, possibly running into a bubble, gatecamp, other pirates, other wartargets, other people.... This is safe, they can't do anything to us, and we bypass all the trouble of actually going after them. Now shutup!!!!"

"random guy in fleet: ..... but whats the point, this ain't PvP.."
"fleet commander: I SAID SHUT UP WE ARE SAFE NOBODY WILL BLOW US UP THEY CAN'T REACH US!?!?!"
"random guy in fleet: ... this sucks "leaves fleet"
"fleet commander: dork, Ok everybody else stay in the shield, I don't want to lose or risk any shinys".
"scout: Found them, group of 6"
"fleet commander: Light it, JUMP"
50 ships jump, Random skirmish happens, they blow up 2 ships"
"fleet commander: AHAH RUN COWARDS"
"fleet: HAHA RUN NOOBS, WE PVP Joo Gud!!!!"

................is that what actually happens?!?!?

ok now that is based on the assumption that people want a fair fight. No One Wants a fair fights.. people want to WIN, blow the Enemy to Bits, and Not lose a thing. People like the concept of a fair fight, proper fleet battles, but people do not like it above Winning the fight.

You are in a minority.

Sup. o/

Because 00 sov fights, where everything is joining the field by using a titan bridge, are won due to the "individual skills of the pilots".

Too good to be true !

I was referring to lowsec bridging, which I thought this discussion was about, unless I'm confusing this thread with another one.

This just sounds like someone crying because they are smaller and can't beat a larger force. There are plenty of ways of preventing or mitigating this kind of action, most of the suggestions you came up with are silly and impractical. Don;t you think if you bubble a titans bridge with a dictor then the hostile fleet will just kill you?

If you are a smaller force and you see a cyno then as you are smaller and more maneuvarable then use that to your advantage. The problem here is you are a small alliance but yet you are thinking of your tactics and warfare as if you were a large null sec alliance getting ready to compete in a head on clash. It's completely unrealistic to think about using dictors to prevent their fleet from jumping in when you have no kind of force to back that up.

So in essence as a low sec small alliance you need to change your mindset completely.

seems OP is looking for fair fights in his post but then we find out hes a gate camper who just wants to gank 1/2 ppl jumping unsuspecting thru gates and wen someone drops him when hes not expecting it cries ....... ur tears are delicious