EVE General Discussion

Maybe a WiStation casino would do it.

And you'd want a monocle as well, perhaps.

I feel like a lot of gamers are living in some kind of warped bubble where the real world doesn't mean anything, so the only fitting description for a person that wags a finger at people who don't live and breathe a computer screen, is this:

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Article title that misquotes leads to misguided thread. Story at 11!

Only 10% of the $50 billion came from casual CONTENT.

RIF!

Where "casual" means "casual games", that is, games that contain about 9 hours of content and are sold for an up-front price. The other part of the market these guys are talking about is "free to play" games like Cow Clicker and Farmville and real-money games (aka online gambling).

How people get confused into thinking that "casuals" in this context applies to "people who play a subscription MMO for less than 100 hours a week" is beyond me.

The take-home message for me from that article was this:



I wonder if a LOTRO style introductory system would be of any use in EVE Online? In LOTRO you start a character in a completely separate part of the world, where people who have finished the tutorial cannot go (and people who haven't finished the tutorial cannot leave). It takes about an hour to complete the tutorial, which goes through movement, basic combat, accepting and handing in quests, and then dumps you out into the wider world at the starter village.

Regardless, the original article was talking about casual games, not casual gamers.

Figures say it all, really. 10% casuals, 10% game design towards casuals. Tbh, I hate with a passion, "casual" and "hardcore" gamer funnels.

The way I see it, (going by these figures as a basis) 10% of people want a fast draw win. By all means, they should have it. I see no reason why not. However, don't throw the shoe at the maker when the rest of the 90% is tougher the achieve.

For me (at least), when games lean towards the 10% of "weekend warriors" so they feel superior, I tend to swtich off. The silly thing is, it take the EXACT same amount of skill and effort to achieve said goals. By all means, people with less time to play will take a little longer. But why should the 90% lean to the wind of the 10%!

Tbh, this was unheard of in FFXI. I know the name of the game that begun this horrendous snowball, and so do you. Let's not mention it, but throw fingers in its "honor"

What a gross misinterpretation of what the person actually said...

“Of the $50 billion that was spent worldwide last year on games, less than 10 percent was spent on casual content."

Saying that only 10% of the 50bil came from casuals is not the same as out of the 50bil spent on games, 10% was spent on casual content.

First you have to define the difference between hardcore and casual gamer. You can't really go by hours because people have other commitments that take up varying hours of their day. Now EVE has its own definition based on hours per week if I remember correctly. It's something you come across when setting up a corp ad. To me, the difference between a hardcore gamer and a casual gamer is what that person would rather do with their free time. A hardcore gamer is someone who chooses gaming over other past time activities while a casual is someone who plays simply when there isn't anything better to do.

Now given such a definition, I know some hardcore gamers who buy "casual content" quite a bit while I know plenty of casuals that don't.

So not only does the title not match what was said, but there is no way to know if the person buying the casual content is even a casual player or not.

what a silly question

honestly.

Yes its nice to have challenges in games, but whats the point of playing a game if its meant to be mind crushingly overly complicated, full on and laborious to the point that its equal if not worse than some jobs.

Gaming is overall meant to be a form of entertainment, entertainment as a whole is supposed to be something a little less stressfull and enjoyable than "the daily grind" of most jobs.

Yes some forms of entertainment are very full on, things like sports, paintball and other outdoor activities but those arent the most common outdoor activies, and theres plenty of non full on choices too.

Overall computer games, console or PC arent really meant to be real life equaling challenges and expecting them to be soley and purely that is tremendously short sighted. Yes some people do want to go above and beyond normal relaxing, thats why they do skydiving, and mountainbike riding. Others want to enjoy some quiet time by the lake fishing. The same applies to games. Not everyone on the planet wants thier games to be more challenging than real life.

If all the big multiplayer games deleted all thier pve, made everything global pvp and walked away, they'd be dead in months, all of them eve, even the mighty wow would cease to exist. And to be honest that would suck so much worse than just having these games as they are now with a bit of everything. "Hardcore" gamers would be left with nothing, cause no developer would make a game for 1000 people and the rest of the planet would be dumped with farmville and other facebook lameness.

Weird why does the forum from time to time erase every single word i have typed before i post it? Thankfully this time at least the draft thing worked and i was allowed to recover all my post

depends on the definition of casual gamers.

One can be MLG at bejeweleed XD

Yes. It's the hardcore players that create the content and give 'meaning' to MMOs.

Ah yes, the Ibis in the lowsec gate against the dramiels... with FALCONS.