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10/10 Serp solo with Minnie ships

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Sickofant
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-12 05:43:22 UTC
Looking for a Minnie flavor build for a 10/10 Serp plexer. I want something that won't break a sweat, and is not a TENGU please.

I'm used to ratting Angels, so not entirely sure what to expect here.
Gomohr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-12 05:52:24 UTC
Expect to be damped to death. So you got no choice other than a missile boat. As a minnie only pilot, i would say you're screwed...
BrutalButFair
Fleet of the Damned
#3 - 2012-12-12 12:33:22 UTC
Gomohr wrote:
Expect to be damped to death. So you got no choice other than a missile boat. As a minnie only pilot, i would say you're screwed...


yup. Only viable solo ships are the tengu or drake. sry Twisted
Andromeda Zero
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-12-12 13:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Andromeda Zero
Gomohr wrote:
Expect to be damped to death. So you got no choice other than a missile boat. As a minnie only pilot, i would say you're screwed...


BrutalButFair wrote:

yup. Only viable solo ships are the tengu or drake. sry Twisted


Interesting theories, but damps affect targeting sensor range & time and so will affect missile boats the same as everyone else.

To the OP's question - I believe that a fast short ranged ship is the way to go so the damps won't matter as much - AC's, blasters, pulse lasers or HAM's. I don't know the damage output of a 10/10, but I am guessing that you will want at least a 1200 dps tank and about 500+ dps (more is better) damage output. Use a web to catch frigates.

Perhaps the Loki can manage this, or the Sleipnir (though it may be too slow to use AC's effectively). I am not too familiar with Minnie ships so I can't say for sure. Proteus can tank more Serpentis due to it's resists, and do more dps at point blank range.

High level DED sites are much easier with a group though - we used to use a T3 to tank and BOPS for DPS, but I don't think that will work so well anymore with the new AI as the BOPS are fragile. The old W-space trick is to use a group of "spider tanking" battleships - Each BS has 2 remote repairers and all are buffer tanked the same way (armor or shield, we used armor). Everyone has all their buddies targeted and everyone repairs whoever has aggro, and switches as necessary. Of course, you asked for solo so I will stop there.

Good luck!
Gah'Matar
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2012-12-12 14:47:27 UTC
Shield Ishtar with sentries. Don't fall asleep.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-12-12 15:24:20 UTC
Andromeda Zero wrote:
Gomohr wrote:
Expect to be damped to death. So you got no choice other than a missile boat. As a minnie only pilot, i would say you're screwed...


BrutalButFair wrote:

yup. Only viable solo ships are the tengu or drake. sry Twisted


Interesting theories, but damps affect targeting sensor range & time and so will affect missile boats the same as everyone else.


Someone must not use missile ships much, or their nifty little FoF missles that you canf ire until you get close enough for damping to not matter. \

FoFs do hit structure, but many webbing frigs orbit close so the FoFs will kill them Web Towers are another porblem, but spam FoFs long enough (they will eventually kill the structures and start hitting ships/turrets again) and you can make it though the worst damping nightmare.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-12-12 15:25:11 UTC
Gah'Matar wrote:
Shield Ishtar with sentries. Don't fall asleep.


Winner

OR Rattlesnake or Gila with both FoF missles and sentries (what I use).
Gah'Matar
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#8 - 2012-12-12 15:58:11 UTC
One last thing... Solo short range ships will have a ton of trouble killing the final structure. It has an enormous active armor tank. Whereas long range ships can sit out over 60km away where the armor tank deactivates and slowly grind the structure through the weak active shield tank only. Warden II with ishtar bonus and no DDA's will do it in about 10 minutes (sure feels like it anyway). Not sure if Gila will have range but rattlesnake might be able to add missile DPS too.

I bring in an arty tornado to speed the structure down, basically a no tank PVP sniper with faction ammo. Drake used to be fine but with the nerf, it can't do it anymore. Proteus would be a close call as to whether the dps is really worth it.
Gomohr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-12 16:12:53 UTC
Quote:

FoFs do hit structure

I did a test a few days ago and i didnt find hard proof of that. I was in the middle of a shitload of wall sections and asteroids, and i couldnt activate my missiles because "no valid target in range". This may have been true once though. Uless you mean that they may target the overseer structure instead of ships ? that may happen, yes.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-12-12 16:18:23 UTC
Gomohr wrote:
Quote:

FoFs do hit structure

I did a test a few days ago and i didnt find hard proof of that. I was in the middle of a shitload of wall sections and asteroids, and i couldnt activate my missiles because "no valid target in range". This may have been true once though. Uless you mean that they may target the overseer structure instead of ships ? that may happen, yes.


FoF missles do't just hit ships and turrets, they hit ALL structures, like walls and such.

If the overseer structure is the closest thing to you, they will hit it.

As for the "no valid targets" thing, you have to agress something 1st,basically telling your missile's "anything belonging to Serpentis is the target". Load regular missiles and fire 1 volley at anything in the plex (or simply wait for anything like a ship or turret to shot you even once), then reload FoF missles, they will hit anything belonging to the faction that shot you, even walls, overseer structures or ships, whatever is closest to you.

I use FoF missles every single time I play (in null sec i rat with Mach+ FoF Tengu or vindicator+FoF tengu). And i refuse to call them Auto-Targeting :) .
Andromeda Zero
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-12 18:37:24 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Someone must not use missile ships much, or their nifty little FoF missles that you canf ire until you get close enough for damping to not matter. \



True that I have never been a user of missiles... In fact I did not realize that FoF missiles had any real use! Since I am such a big fan of the Gila I will have to give them a try.
Sickofant
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-12-13 00:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sickofant
What about Blood Raiders? Would this be an easier thing to accomplish?

10/10's.

I don't have the skills to use Sentries yet so not sure if that would be a great option at the moment.
Gomohr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-12-13 05:58:38 UTC
Sickofant wrote:
What about Blood Raiders? Would this be an easier thing to accomplish?

10/10's.

I don't have the skills to use Sentries yet so not sure if that would be a great option at the moment.


You cant solo (as in one man one ship) a blood raider 10/10, never was possible, is even worse now.
BrutalButFair
Fleet of the Damned
#14 - 2012-12-13 10:14:42 UTC
Gomohr wrote:
Sickofant wrote:
What about Blood Raiders? Would this be an easier thing to accomplish?

10/10's.

I don't have the skills to use Sentries yet so not sure if that would be a great option at the moment.


You cant solo (as in one man one ship) a blood raider 10/10, never was possible, is even worse now.


This goon speak the truth (weird i know but still Evil ) Bloods neut you to dead so reps won't work.
Miranda Ctan
Radex Solutions
#15 - 2012-12-17 18:39:05 UTC
Gomohr wrote:
Expect to be damped to death. So you got no choice other than a missile boat. As a minnie only pilot, i would say you're screwed...



Honestly this is really not even an issue. I've been ratting serps forever and the damps have never once caused me a problem. By far the weakest of the NPC EWAR.
Gomohr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-12-17 19:50:41 UTC
Miranda Ctan wrote:
Gomohr wrote:
Expect to be damped to death. So you got no choice other than a missile boat. As a minnie only pilot, i would say you're screwed...



Honestly this is really not even an issue. I've been ratting serps forever and the damps have never once caused me a problem. By far the weakest of the NPC EWAR.


It was true BEFORE PATCH, we've seen enough people reduced to a 2km lock range in this forum to say otherwise now (didnt look in today patch though).