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THINK TANK -- ✓GRAPHICS Revolution! *NEW

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-12-17 15:38:05 UTC
Dunkle Lars wrote:
The graphics in EvE are fine. Thinking you need better looking ships/modules/whatever for the gameplay to be better is simply stupid.. Something I personally see as "the console disease"

Sure new graphics would be cool but after a week or two I wouldn't notice them anymore. I would much rather, that they spent time on WiS but that again is a personel opinion.



Personally I think WiS is a gimmick that serves no real function.
HOWEVER , if it was allowed to mature into something like this
Gmod Tower

It would be mighty excellent, but since thats all behind us now ,lets look into the future !

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-12-17 15:51:21 UTC
Excellent gameplay and mediocre graphics? I actually think it's the EXACT opposite. Mediocre/poor gameplay, and excellent graphics.

I mean, look at drone UI. Look at PvE content and poor quality of the AI. Combat in EVE is also rather simplistic compared to most modern MMOs that tend to have action-reaction/counter mechanic that is time-sensitive and active damage evasion features.

Personally I feel graphics are good enough. Focus on gameplay, AI, UI, etc.
Sven Viko VIkolander
In space we are briefly free
#123 - 2012-12-17 17:46:49 UTC
IMO Eve has a great balance between graphics and performance. In other mmos I've played the performance is simply terrible compared to EVE--e.g., in LOTRO you can't walk five steps without rubber-banding if other players are around, and forget about getting above 5fps in PVMP fights with more than a dozen players on the field. 30v30 fights are simply unplayable and have been for years. That said, eve is definitely moving in the right direction with improving ship graphics as well as killing lag.


Also, lol @ the above posters saying eve has poor game play because of the lack of PVE content...
Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-12-17 17:58:22 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Dunkle Lars wrote:
The graphics in EvE are fine. Thinking you need better looking ships/modules/whatever for the gameplay to be better is simply stupid.. Something I personally see as "the console disease"

Sure new graphics would be cool but after a week or two I wouldn't notice them anymore. I would much rather, that they spent time on WiS but that again is a personel opinion.



Personally I think WiS is a gimmick that serves no real function.
!


WIS serves no real function because EVE players didn't give CCP time to open that door! Game play with WIS is the future!

I would love to see better damage models too.

CCP wish list: show damage on ships and open that door!
ISVRaDa
Iberians
#125 - 2012-12-17 19:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISVRaDa
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Tykari wrote:
The problem with the graphics in an MMO is that often there are other considerations linked to it. Most notably performance when massive numbers are present. Top notch graphics are all well and good but in fleet battles and in trade hub systems where there are 100's of players for most people it would cause a lot of problems. So unless you happen to own a really high end system or spend most of your time alone in a system this really wouldn't do much good in the long run.

That said, CCP is updating the graphics and they're doing it one step at a time. The V3 project is mostly adjusting the way textures work on ships so that better effects can later be applied. And before those effects can happen every single object in the game needs to have those updates, which takes a lot of time considering the huge amount of assets this game has. The new lighting system they want to use is an example of this. As long as not everything has the V3 treatment they're not using it. Once that is done they can focus on dealing with ships whose poly counts are too low and so on. Same with corp logos and decalls. The V3 textures will open up the options of changing colors and so forth and they've already said that is something they do intend to do.

Give them time, they can only do so much at once.


Truth!!!!


Hey BunnyVirus, can you tell us something about the new explosions? are finished with Retribution or you are guys working on them for future improvements? I really enjoyed the last visual changes (gorgeous nebulas, new ship textures, missiles, etc) but the new explosions are slightly disappointing imho.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-12-17 19:10:47 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Excellent gameplay and mediocre graphics? I actually think it's the EXACT opposite. Mediocre/poor gameplay, and excellent graphics.

I mean, look at drone UI. Look at PvE content and poor quality of the AI. Combat in EVE is also rather simplistic compared to most modern MMOs that tend to have action-reaction/counter mechanic that is time-sensitive and active damage evasion features.

Personally I feel graphics are good enough. Focus on gameplay, AI, UI, etc.


yes, look at the two things that are going to be patched in the next few months and that makes the game have horrible gameplay




To be honest, I think both the gameplay and graphics are fine. Tesselation would be cool. As more people move away from ancient computers we will see the work on graphics complexity increase gradually. We're never going to see a huge ass release making a gigantic load of different in graphics, so don't expect it. There will always be gradual improvements. Even now I can look back at 2010 and say wow, the game's look has improved quite a bit! The same will be the case for 2014, and so on. Eve moves along iteratively, so just let the patches come and let the game gradually improve without rushing. That's how good features are built and iterated on. The NPC patch for AI had the right idea but has shortcomings that annoy everyone. Like unified inventory, these will be iteratively fixed as the game goes along. That's why the devs touch base with the players, to make sure everything is working as it should.

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CCP BunnyVirus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#127 - 2012-12-17 19:20:52 UTC
ISVRaDa wrote:

Hey BunnyVirus, can you tell us something about the new explosions? are finished with Retribution or you are guys working on them for future improvements? I really enjoyed the last visual changes (gorgeous nebulas, new ship textures, missiles, etc) but the new explosions are slightly disappointing imho.


Personally I dont like them either, i´d like to have like in mass effect 3 at the beginning of the game where the (insert ship class here) on the surface got destroyed. If our vfx guys are working on them i honestly dont know.Bear

3D Artist
ISVRaDa
Iberians
#128 - 2012-12-17 19:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISVRaDa
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
ISVRaDa wrote:

Hey BunnyVirus, can you tell us something about the new explosions? are finished with Retribution or you are guys working on them for future improvements? I really enjoyed the last visual changes (gorgeous nebulas, new ship textures, missiles, etc) but the new explosions are slightly disappointing imho.


Personally I dont like them either, i´d like to have like in mass effect 3 at the beginning of the game where the (insert ship class here) on the surface got destroyed. If our vfx guys are working on them i honestly dont know.Bear



Hehe would be awesome but at least it sounds honest, thanks for a quick response! .. maybe your vfx mates want check this thread Lol

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Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2012-12-17 19:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shylari Avada
I remember when all the ships in EVE were boomerangs with different colored, identical pinstripping. All the systems were essentially the same with a random colored background.

Thank you OP for telling us exactly how long you HAVE NOT been playing EVE.
Captain Futur3
unLimited eve
#130 - 2012-12-17 21:20:36 UTC
+ All new designed ships (not the "only" v3d) are up to date.
+ All missile effects are up to date
+ All backgrounds are up to date

o All stations are OK
o Most non-combat effects are OK (warp, web)
o All old ships are OK or need some remake, but thats not that important i think

- All turret effects are bad
- All explosions are terrible (not from the quality of the effect, but from the aspect that it feels completely unspectacular and totally unrealistic for an object of such size)
- Most weapon sounds (and explosions) feel very bad
- Ship wrecks are a joke
- There is NO lightning in game. You wont see a single game coming out in 2012 or after that has no dynamic lightning. This is something Eve really needs


All in all i have to say that Eve need better effects for combat because this is what we see all the time we play the game.
Rez Valintine
The Virus Vault
#131 - 2012-12-17 22:02:55 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
the OP seems to forget that not all of us can afford a new PC with the latest graph cards EACH year


I am running on a puny 250GTS with 1 GB ram and some 6 year old wares .
Its still running on high with everything maxed with 60 fps to spare.




You're problem is that video card - it's a value card. I run the game on my Big Screen @ 1080p and it looks great.

Maybe if you upgraded your hardware to something that was released this decade, your experience wouldn't resemble something that was made last decade.

As for a new engine, people with hardware like yours would be the first to suffer.

Roll
Sven Viko VIkolander
In space we are briefly free
#132 - 2012-12-17 22:41:03 UTC
Captain Futur3 wrote:
+ All new designed ships (not the "only" v3d) are up to date.
+ All missile effects are up to date
+ All backgrounds are up to date

o All stations are OK
o Most non-combat effects are OK (warp, web)
o All old ships are OK or need some remake, but thats not that important i think

- All turret effects are bad
- All explosions are terrible (not from the quality of the effect, but from the aspect that it feels completely unspectacular and totally unrealistic for an object of such size)
- Most weapon sounds (and explosions) feel very bad
- Ship wrecks are a joke
- There is NO lightning in game. You wont see a single game coming out in 2012 or after that has no dynamic lightning. This is something Eve really needs


All in all i have to say that Eve need better effects for combat because this is what we see all the time we play the game.


QFT
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-12-18 01:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Rez Valintine wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
the OP seems to forget that not all of us can afford a new PC with the latest graph cards EACH year


I am running on a puny 250GTS with 1 GB ram and some 6 year old wares .
Its still running on high with everything maxed with 60 fps to spare.




You're problem is that video card - it's a value card. I run the game on my Big Screen @ 1080p and it looks great.

Maybe if you upgraded your hardware to something that was released this decade, your experience wouldn't resemble something that was made last decade.

As for a new engine, people with hardware like yours would be the first to suffer.

Roll


Better hardware wouldn't make a jump in visual quality when one could already max out the game at considerable FPS.

On a side note of performance issue about dynamic skyboxes and shield and nebula and such , there is a way around them.

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Just Lilly
#134 - 2012-12-18 02:57:17 UTC
Playing EvE on a $1100 worth of GPU makes me feel like Im dressing down Blink


No, seriously, it's ok, Im running gpu intense games ontop of the eve client while cloaked in hostile territory.

For hours Cool

Sometimes Im in a rush, so I close the game client of the main game...and leave the computer running,
forgetting the eve client. And when I come home...my character got booted due to downtime (oops)
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#135 - 2012-12-18 03:46:52 UTC
Eve graphic is great, and the effort they do to keep it updated after 10 years is huge.

Homeworld is not an MMORP so high graphic standards are more easy to manage, and anyway looks far inferior and trivial to me.

Star Citizen is not going to be an MMORPG as well, but, most important: it doesn't even exists! For now is only some home-made movie. We'll talk about it and his graphic if will be released.

Beside all this gameplay is always the most important for a game longevity. Ultima Online is still a great game, go figure.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-12-18 03:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Eve graphic is great, and the effort they do to keep it updated after 10 years is huge.

Homeworld is not an MMORP so high graphic standards are more easy to manage, and anyway looks far inferior and trivial to me.

Star Citizen is not going to be an MMORPG as well, but, most important: it doesn't even exists! For now is only some home-made movie. We'll talk about it and his graphic if will be released.

Beside all this gameplay is always the most important for a game longevity. Ultima Online is still a great game, go figure.




Ultima Online is pretty much dead :P
http://uojournal.com/2011/07/14/so-just-how-many-players-are-there-in-uo/

I am not saying
EVE SHOULD LOOK LIKE THOSE GAMES!

I'm saying EVE could take in cues from their graphical effects as stated in the quotes to make it an even more comprehensive and mind boggling experience

Have some faith in the Art Team and Core tech guys .

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-12-18 04:39:28 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
ISVRaDa wrote:

Hey BunnyVirus, can you tell us something about the new explosions? are finished with Retribution or you are guys working on them for future improvements? I really enjoyed the last visual changes (gorgeous nebulas, new ship textures, missiles, etc) but the new explosions are slightly disappointing imho.


Personally I dont like them either, i´d like to have like in mass effect 3 at the beginning of the game where the (insert ship class here) on the surface got destroyed. If our vfx guys are working on them i honestly dont know.Bear


So how about the partial damage seen on the "final battle" as parts of the ship disintegrated as its attacked? :D
And debris field which actually resemble the ship it was?

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-12-18 05:12:56 UTC
Dunkle Lars wrote:
The graphics in EvE are fine. Thinking you need better looking ships/modules/whatever for the gameplay to be better is simply stupid.. Something I personally see as "the console disease"

Sure new graphics would be cool but after a week or two I wouldn't notice them anymore. I would much rather, that they spent time on WiS but that again is a personel opinion.



Well considering how WiS doesn't add to the function you can't perform in ship view mode.

You'll have to add a lot of features such as those seen in Test Drive Unlimited and 2nd Life .... but then you'll be asking for a game within a game.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#139 - 2012-12-18 06:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
if only eve could match these graphics from a modded homeworld 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-IPZhoM664
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFVUoxPchgw

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#140 - 2012-12-18 06:23:21 UTC
I don't think graphics are going to matter much in EVE as long as the game encourages you to play zoomed out to the point that all you see is boxes and crosses. Or as long as the overview continues to command your attention more than what is being rendered in space. Unfortunately I don't think these things will ever change. CCP has made some changes to try to get more information into space itself, and has worked on the camera recently too... but to clear EVE of UI clutter and get a sense of scale going, along with immersive and visceral combat... its those things that EVE is missing and will never have. You'd have to change the game entirely to get them. EVE has decent visuals, its just the nature of the game prevents it from making the most of them.