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THINK TANK -- ✓GRAPHICS Revolution! *NEW

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RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-17 05:18:02 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Himnos Altar wrote:
we're in the middle of graphical updates.

Minmatar just had theirs, I think it's Amarr/Gal left to go IIRC.


Thats not really a graphical update.
Its just changing the models .
We are talking about race wide effects and proper distinction between armor tank and shield tank besides from different colors .
Not to mention much more detailed models instead of relying on textures for the heavy duty works.

You'll expect a game which takes in a game worth of hard earned cash each month would be progressing MUCH faster



No because all the revenue is to fund BUST 514
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#22 - 2012-12-17 05:18:10 UTC
Not everything can be art and for the time it was created HW 2 is just that.

But eve is mmo so shiny space whales is all we can wish for shinier they get less soul they have,i cant feel mass of eve ships i cant admire them on the other hand 2003 hw2 is awe inspiring all with DX9b and decade old graphic..silly isn it.

I like EvE space ambient suns look good background too,stars need work on they are from Pentium 3 era,i like hel even if it isn't updated.



You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-17 05:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Sorry, but I think it's kind of a slap in the face to the art team (as well as CCP as a whole) to say they're in dire need of a graphical update. They've been making great improvements in the graphics department for a while now and there's still more to come.

Sure, Eve isn't the best looking game around, but it still looks great. It's gonna be 10 years old next year. 10. Very few, if any, 10+ year old polygonal 3d games look even half as good as Eve. Hell, you still get a couple of games up until this very day that don't look as good as Eve.

Just saying...


Well true, but I'm just saying .
Where is the revolution?

Lets take DICE as an example.

They published the Frostbite engine back at 2008
And each year we see considerable improvements , and today we have BF3, one of the best looking game on the market.

Then we have Dunia engine.
I don't think much needs to be said.

Back to the topic.
The game aesthetically is good, but we just need to fill in the pot holes.


The problem with that argument is each new version of one of those engines is met with the release of a new game. They don't go back and redo an old game with their new engine. Mirror's Edge and Bad Company 1 are still using Frostbite 1. Crysis 2 is still using CryEngine 2. And so on and so on.

They make updates to the games and the engines, but none of them have gone back and redone those games with their new engines because it's a lot of work even for non-MMOs. in many ways, you're essentially remaking the game from scratch because the engine is the backbone of the entire game.

For MMOs, upgrading engines is a task that takes years. After Blizzard updated their engine for Cataclysm, they said they probably would never do it again because of the amount of time and money that it costs. WoW is their cashcow (pro rhymes). You can call Blizzard lazy if you want, but with the amount of money they make off that game, can you imagine how much trouble it must have been for them to upgrade their engine for them to outright say "we're never doing that again"?


Note in my original post , I never asked for an engine update.
I just asked for updating the effects and adding more details to ship models .

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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#24 - 2012-12-17 05:19:08 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


Why the hell'd you put on a shirt? Evil


I didn't want to. Someone at CCP hates me. I was literally the only one who had a forced portrait re-render when Retribution went live.

I want answers...

...and a hug.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-17 05:21:32 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Not everything can be art and for the time it was created HW 2 is just that.

But eve is mmo so shiny space whales is all we can wish for shinier they get less soul they have,i cant feel mass of eve ships i cant admire them on the other hand 2003 hw2 is awe inspiring all with DX9b and decade old graphic..silly isn it.

I like EvE space ambient suns look good background too,stars need work on they are from Pentium 3 era,i like hel even if it isn't updated.





The ships concept is aesthetically fine.


But we DO expect more details on this day and age :P

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-12-17 05:21:41 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


Why the hell'd you put on a shirt? Evil


I didn't want to. Someone at CCP hates me. I was literally the only one who had a forced portrait re-render when Retribution went live.

I want answers...

...and a hug.


Sad *Hugs*

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#27 - 2012-12-17 05:25:46 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
This year has been a year of progress for EVE.
Especially true since the release of Retribution.
Crimewatch, new missile effects , new ships ,rebalancing , new clothing ,etc.

However , there is still a LOOOOoong way to go.
And when we look at a game from 2003 .

Homeworld 2



We are just catching up to the graphical effects of a game for 9 years ago and in certain areas, such as the destruction mechanics , in-game production and aesthetics ,we are still lagging behind.
Not in terms of quality , but in terms of variation and depth.

We need WAY more community ship model events and much faster pace in updates.

Not on the mechanics ,and not on catering to the carebear whiners .
They're working.
The game aesthetically is good, but we just need to fill in the pot holes.
Lets start polishing the graphics before working on the endless list of "things that would be nice to have "


I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade. While the ship there is nicely textured, the way it moves is very unrealistic and arcade motion. The missile effects are nice, but we have those, and the same goes for the turrets, though I think we have an improvement on both as I didn't notice any models for either. Didn't look that closely..

That and the jump-effect? or whatever that was, and the space itself, and UI... Ugh

EVE has that game beat 10-1
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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-17 05:28:23 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
This year has been a year of progress for EVE.
Especially true since the release of Retribution.
Crimewatch, new missile effects , new ships ,rebalancing , new clothing ,etc.

However , there is still a LOOOOoong way to go.
And when we look at a game from 2003 .

Homeworld 2



We are just catching up to the graphical effects of a game for 9 years ago and in certain areas, such as the destruction mechanics , in-game production and aesthetics ,we are still lagging behind.
Not in terms of quality , but in terms of variation and depth.

We need WAY more community ship model events and much faster pace in updates.

Not on the mechanics ,and not on catering to the carebear whiners .
They're working.
The game aesthetically is good, but we just need to fill in the pot holes.
Lets start polishing the graphics before working on the endless list of "things that would be nice to have "


I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade. While the ship there is nicely textured, the way it moves is very unrealistic and arcade motion. The missile effects are nice, but we have those, and the same goes for the turrets, though I think we have an improvement on both as I didn't notice any models for either. Didn't look that closely..

That and the jump-effect? or whatever that was, and the space itself, and UI... Ugh

EVE has that game beat 10-1


beating a game from 2003 is not something to be proud of
2nd, its in space ,there aren't suppose to be any opposing force to the motions ,we aren't submarines.
I think HW2 still have EVE beat in terms of customization and graphical representation of damage and destruction even until today, but thats my opinion

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#29 - 2012-12-17 05:29:00 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
EVE definitely looks better. Those HW2 graphics are just a notch above BC3000AD.

Irony: Derrick Smart is a goon and was set to join Goonwaffe but wisely decided Eve sucks.

I wonder if he's aware of the influence BC3000AD had on EVE. First thing I thought when I played years back on a trial was that EVE was somewhat like a BC3000AD MMO.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#30 - 2012-12-17 05:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
' the way it moves is very unrealistic and arcade motion'

saying that like it is bad thing..how about a frig bumping 19km ship lol rly eve have NOTHING in space movement that can be considered better.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-17 05:46:08 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
' the way it moves is very unrealistic and arcade motion'

saying that like it is bad thing..how about a frig bumping 19km ship lol rly eve have NOTHING in space movement that can be considered better.


lets not do that .
We're not here to start a war , we are here to ask for improvements :P

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-12-17 05:55:21 UTC
I'll make it simple.

Good gameplay > best graphics.

/thread
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-12-17 05:58:50 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I'll make it simple.

Good gameplay > best graphics.

/thread


Lets make it simple for the simple minded.
Already good gameplay = time to make it better by having better graphics.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-12-17 06:10:28 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I'll make it simple.

Good gameplay > best graphics.

/thread


Gameplay over graphics any day. I guess it's easier to judge a games graphics over it's gameplay when you grew up with games that look like this, as opposed to this.

(I'm not sure that the old game that I linked was any good because I don't recall ever playing it. In fact, I don't even know what it's called. What I do know is many of those games back then were great. these days so much effort is put in to graphics that the actual gameplay & story is over-looked. The Witcher was actually good, which is rather rare these days.)

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-17 06:15:34 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I'll make it simple.

Good gameplay > best graphics.

/thread


Gameplay over graphics any day. I guess it's easier to judge a games graphics over it's gameplay when you grew up with games that look like this, as opposed to this.

(I'm not sure that the old game that I linked was any good because I don't recall ever playing it. In fact, I don't even know what it's called. What I do know is many of those games back then were great. these days so much effort is put in to graphics that the actual gameplay & story is over-looked. The Witcher was actually good, which is rather rare these days.)


EVE already has good gameplay :P
What hurt does it do if we start working on the graphics ?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-17 06:17:22 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Crysis 2 is still using CryEngine 2.


Far Cry: CryEngine
Crysis/Crysis Warhead: CryEngine 2
Far Cry 2: Dunia
Crysis 2: CryEngine 3
Far Cry 3: Dunia Engine 2
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#37 - 2012-12-17 06:21:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Crysis 2 is still using CryEngine 2.


Far Cry: CryEngine
Crysis/Crysis Warhead: CryEngine 2
Far Cry 2: Dunia
Crysis 2: CryEngine 3
Far Cry 3: Dunia Engine 2


...oh...ok then. Thank you for the clarification I guess, but the specifics are more or less irrelevant to my overall point earlier.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-12-17 06:24:07 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I'll make it simple.

Good gameplay > best graphics.

/thread


Lets make it simple for the simple minded.
Already good gameplay = time to make it better by having better graphics.


There are still tons of broken stuff in the game needing updates/change which are MUCH more important than graphics will ever be.

A good example of this is call of duty. The same old game with just a few added gimmick every new release does not make good games. People still play the olds because they were good instead of the new flashy one with mroe graphic stuff and the same damn maps with new skin on the walls/objects to make it fit with the "theme" of the new storyline.

Crysis was a piece of crap because it put all the effort on graphics (which could not even be fully run by 4k$ machines upon release) and was nothing more than yet another bland shooter with a few gimmicks which got old after 30 minutes.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-12-17 06:24:47 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
I'll make it simple.

Good gameplay > best graphics.

/thread


Gameplay over graphics any day. I guess it's easier to judge a games graphics over it's gameplay when you grew up with games that look like this, as opposed to this.

(I'm not sure that the old game that I linked was any good because I don't recall ever playing it. In fact, I don't even know what it's called. What I do know is many of those games back then were great. these days so much effort is put in to graphics that the actual gameplay & story is over-looked. The Witcher was actually good, which is rather rare these days.)


EVE already has good gameplay :P
What hurt does it do if we start working on the graphics ?


If only they had been working on the graphics for most of the year Roll

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-12-17 06:25:42 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Crysis 2 is still using CryEngine 2.


Far Cry: CryEngine
Crysis/Crysis Warhead: CryEngine 2
Far Cry 2: Dunia
Crysis 2: CryEngine 3
Far Cry 3: Dunia Engine 2


...oh...ok then. Thank you for the clarification I guess, but the specifics are more or less irrelevant to my overall point earlier.


same goes for mine

I never asked for an engine update , i just asked for more focus on the graphics instead of fussing up the mechanics even further.
They fixed bounty.
GREAT
They fixed the bugs!
good
They added new ships.
AWESOME.

Can we start adding in the missing effects now?

Its like you guys are suffering the Stockholm syndrome or something :P

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