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Is it even possible to get into a corp these days without full API submission?

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Donn Red
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-12-16 23:52:31 UTC
I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API. As if that wasn't enough, some want full API for all accounts! My situation is rather unique for quite a number of reasons, and I find the prospect of giving out all of my API keys extremely unsettling.

Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?

I also don't want to hear about how I fail at compartmentalizing my characters; I know how to transfer items between characters without it appearing on an API. I shouldn't have to act like a spy to get into a corp.


Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?
Merouk Baas
#2 - 2012-12-16 23:55:35 UTC
I wouldn't give my full API out either.

But, lots of scams and corp theft in the past, so most high-end corps require it now.

Shrug.
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-12-16 23:55:41 UTC
Donn Red wrote:
I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API. As if that wasn't enough, some want full API for all accounts! My situation is rather unique for quite a number of reasons, and I find the prospect of giving out all of my API keys extremely unsettling.

Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?

I also don't want to hear about how I fail at compartmentalizing my characters; I know how to transfer items between characters without it appearing on an API. I shouldn't have to act like a spy to get into a corp.


Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?


Many corps don't do any form of API or background check at all. Lie to the corps that want a full API for all accounts. They won't know it exists unless you tell them about it.

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-16 23:56:17 UTC
Hey, what color are your underpants?
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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-12-17 00:00:05 UTC
Donn Red wrote:
Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?


Yup.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-17 00:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.

As far as your API, free choice.
The reality is with the whole API deal is that the ones that the corps are really trying to protect themselves from will always pass with flying colors.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
#7 - 2012-12-17 00:08:44 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.


This?
Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#8 - 2012-12-17 00:12:05 UTC
The corp in in now didn't need any API at all to apply.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Usagi Toshiro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-17 00:15:59 UTC
No API needed to join us in RvB...pew pew for all!

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Donn Red
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-17 00:19:40 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.


This?
Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join.


How do suppose a corporation would react to a large isk transaction from a character that isn't present on the API, or having billions of isk in your wallet with no transactions showing where it came from, other than through selling the PLEX/DED mods/whatever that you retrieved from the container....
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-17 00:28:17 UTC
Donn Red wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.


This?
Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join.


How do suppose a corporation would react to a large isk transaction from a character that isn't present on the API, or having billions of isk in your wallet with no transactions showing where it came from, other than through selling the PLEX/DED mods/whatever that you retrieved from the container....


No one cares. They are looking for your alts that are characters in other corps/alliances and links to known corp thieves and such.

You think you are the only one with a Jita/trade hub alt that sells mods and sends isk to other characters? Or you are the only one with a high sec alt that feeds your main with isk? Like really, no one cares about 95% of what the full api shows. They are making sure what you say your main is is actually your main and seeing if you have any obviously linked spy alts. That's it, no one is going to go through 50 pages of boring journal and market entries and say omg you sell t2 DCUs, you cannot join our corp!
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#12 - 2012-12-17 00:29:37 UTC
Donn Red wrote:
I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API.

Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?


Yup. Hey I know. Make your own corp, don't demand full API, and see what happens.
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-12-17 00:31:06 UTC
Donn Red wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.


This?
Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join.


How do suppose a corporation would react to a large isk transaction from a character that isn't present on the API, or having billions of isk in your wallet with no transactions showing where it came from, other than through selling the PLEX/DED mods/whatever that you retrieved from the container....


They check it once to make sure you're not a thief or awoxer & they only check it again if stuff starts going missing. What ever gave you the idea that someone was checking on you constantly?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#14 - 2012-12-17 00:34:29 UTC
A lot of them are happy with a partial API or no API. Personally I'm in the same boat, I refuse to give a Full API. If they want Wallet & Skill Trees, sure, thats fine, I don't mind that. That is information that is important to the Corp, so they know if I'm being honest when I say I'm broke and need a hand, or when I say I am trained for some ship they want in a fleet, but simply don't have one, or that I'm not trained for standard doctrines because I do something else.
I just refuse to give access to things like messages. And if the corp wants to be a pain on that, I simply won't join.
Ginger Barbarella
#15 - 2012-12-17 00:58:06 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
I wouldn't give my full API out either.

But, lots of scams and corp theft in the past, so most high-end corps require it now.

Shrug.


Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!

The charade is just foolish at this point.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2012-12-17 00:59:05 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Donn Red wrote:
I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API.

Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?


Yup. Hey I know. Make your own corp, don't demand full API, and see what happens.


Especially if you DON'T give them the keys to the kingdom.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Donn Red
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-12-17 01:01:07 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
A lot of them are happy with a partial API or no API. Personally I'm in the same boat, I refuse to give a Full API. If they want Wallet & Skill Trees, sure, thats fine, I don't mind that. That is information that is important to the Corp, so they know if I'm being honest when I say I'm broke and need a hand, or when I say I am trained for some ship they want in a fleet, but simply don't have one, or that I'm not trained for standard doctrines because I do something else.
I just refuse to give access to things like messages. And if the corp wants to be a pain on that, I simply won't join.


My principle concern is wallet transactions, but you bring up a good point. An API key that includes eve mails will include ALL of them from the last 10 years I think, even the ones you supposedly trashed.

Also, this:


Ginger Barbarella wrote:


Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!

The charade is just foolish at this point.


If you're worth spying on/stealing from, people are going to get in.
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2012-12-17 01:47:14 UTC
Donn Red wrote:

Ginger Barbarella wrote:


Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!

The charade is just foolish at this point.


If you're worth spying on/stealing from, people are going to get in.


My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
Silentium Consortium
#19 - 2012-12-17 01:50:18 UTC
The fault lies with the 'yes men' who hand it over because they feel they have to. I've never given anyone my API.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-12-17 01:50:30 UTC
Usagi Toshiro wrote:
No API needed to join us in RvB...pew pew for all!

Do you even have anything worth stealing?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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