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malron Tzash
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#1 - 2012-12-16 21:33:23 UTC
i have some questions regarding who is on what side and whats going on in null (mostly has to do with southern null space)

#1) where did all these empires such as pangu coalition, nexus fleet, and insidous empire come from and are they apart of the HBC

#2) is nulli secunda part of the HBC

#3) what side is solar fleet on and if they are in their own coalition who else belongs to it

#4) is CVA and the provi bloc involved with the HBC in any wars or NAP's

#5) was unclaimed setup setup by TEST after ROL got their sov stolen

thanks for any answers i get and also feel free to speculate about null alliances in general

There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#2 - 2012-12-16 23:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Aziesta
malron Tzash wrote:
#4) is CVA and the provi bloc involved with the HBC in any wars or NAP's

Disclaimer: I am only a rank-and-file member in the provi bloc.

Provi block is definitely not blue to HBC or CFC. We shoot at test and PL regularly. We're usually of the "we won't challenge your sov if you don't challenge ours" mindset, so we don't go looking to take over HBC space. It's like an informal NIP. But that doesn't stop us from roaming around looking for fights.
RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-17 00:30:28 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
malron Tzash wrote:
#4) is CVA and the provi bloc involved with the HBC in any wars or NAP's

Disclaimer: I am only a rank-and-file member in the provi bloc.

Provi block is definitely not blue to HBC or CFC. We shoot at test and PL regularly. We're usually of the "we won't challenge your sov if you don't challenge ours" mindset, so we don't go looking to take over HBC space. It's like an informal NIP. But that doesn't stop us from roaming around looking for fights.



Moar like they shoot you regularly, Provi might as well be low sec, with orca's auto-piloting on the T-R pipe
Hrothgar Nilsson
#4 - 2012-12-17 00:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Here's a rough map I made a few days ago for to show to rough political breakdown to some guys from another game:

http://i.imgur.com/WXqG4.jpg

Might be some inaccuracies between N3 and Neo-Curse, and I don't know anything really about the "Provi-block".

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
malron Tzash
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#5 - 2012-12-17 01:58:29 UTC
thanks for all the replies they are appreciated

There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6 - 2012-12-17 02:03:16 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
malron Tzash wrote:
#4) is CVA and the provi bloc involved with the HBC in any wars or NAP's

Disclaimer: I am only a rank-and-file member in the provi bloc.

Provi block is definitely not blue to HBC or CFC. We shoot at test and PL regularly. We're usually of the "we won't challenge your sov if you don't challenge ours" mindset, so we don't go looking to take over HBC space. It's like an informal NIP. But that doesn't stop us from roaming around looking for fights.

Oh, NAP trains?

You should stand up and fight the HBC, I'm sure you'll turn the tide.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
malron Tzash
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#7 - 2012-12-17 02:11:36 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
malron Tzash wrote:
#4) is CVA and the provi bloc involved with the HBC in any wars or NAP's

Disclaimer: I am only a rank-and-file member in the provi bloc.

Provi block is definitely not blue to HBC or CFC. We shoot at test and PL regularly. We're usually of the "we won't challenge your sov if you don't challenge ours" mindset, so we don't go looking to take over HBC space. It's like an informal NIP. But that doesn't stop us from roaming around looking for fights.

Oh, NAP trains?

You should stand up and fight the HBC, I'm sure you'll turn the tide.


in my opinion, goons have won eve and the only battles left to come are with solar fleet and their coalition, after that null will be a vast bluelist, unless of course the HBC and CFC fight each other which is a lot more possible considering the huge amount of boredom that will ensue if that happens. at this point the only thing that could take them down is a director level spy

There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#8 - 2012-12-17 02:24:07 UTC
malron Tzash wrote:
in my opinion, goons have won eve and the only battles left to come are with solar fleet and their coalition, after that null will be a vast bluelist, unless of course the HBC and CFC fight each other which is a lot more possible considering the huge amount of boredom that will ensue if that happens. at this point the only thing that could take them down is a director level spy

Pity. Maybe you can try to be that person with the finger on the magic butan.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
malron Tzash
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#9 - 2012-12-17 02:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: malron Tzash
Alavaria Fera wrote:
malron Tzash wrote:
in my opinion, goons have won eve and the only battles left to come are with solar fleet and their coalition, after that null will be a vast bluelist, unless of course the HBC and CFC fight each other which is a lot more possible considering the huge amount of boredom that will ensue if that happens. at this point the only thing that could take them down is a director level spy

Pity. Maybe you can try to be that person with the finger on the magic butan.


i wish i could but the time it would take would probably drive me insane not to mention that i have the attention span of a small rodent

There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#10 - 2012-12-17 03:24:09 UTC
malron Tzash wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
malron Tzash wrote:
#4) is CVA and the provi bloc involved with the HBC in any wars or NAP's

Disclaimer: I am only a rank-and-file member in the provi bloc.

Provi block is definitely not blue to HBC or CFC. We shoot at test and PL regularly. We're usually of the "we won't challenge your sov if you don't challenge ours" mindset, so we don't go looking to take over HBC space. It's like an informal NIP. But that doesn't stop us from roaming around looking for fights.

Oh, NAP trains?

You should stand up and fight the HBC, I'm sure you'll turn the tide.


in my opinion, goons have won eve and the only battles left to come are with solar fleet and their coalition, after that null will be a vast bluelist, unless of course the HBC and CFC fight each other which is a lot more possible considering the huge amount of boredom that will ensue if that happens. at this point the only thing that could take them down is a director level spy


I'd go with the last option. Much like nobody ever expected to Log in to EVE and find out BoB was disbanded by a one man loophole, much like the poor bastard who went away for a weekend wasn't expecting U'K to get disbanded, Goons will get theirs in the same way. It might not be a spy, it could be someone they trust and have no reason not to trust. Similar to the NC Dot dismantling, someone will get their tighties in a bunch over something simple and it all unravels.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-12-17 03:25:31 UTC
malron Tzash wrote:

in my opinion, goons have won eve and the only battles left to come are with solar fleet and their coalition, after that null will be a vast bluelist, unless of course the HBC and CFC fight each other which is a lot more possible considering the huge amount of boredom that will ensue if that happens. at this point the only thing that could take them down is a director level spy


Boredom isn't a problem. We've got some very good special interest squads this time around that weren't active in the past, so line members looking for PVP can go get them some.

I'm deployed right now, in fact this afternoon making a quick supply run is the first time I've been in Deklein in a month.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2012-12-17 03:45:49 UTC
Ocih wrote:
I'd go with the last option. Much like nobody ever expected to Log in to EVE and find out BoB was disbanded by a one man loophole, much like the poor bastard who went away for a weekend wasn't expecting U'K to get disbanded, Goons will get theirs in the same way. It might not be a spy, it could be someone they trust and have no reason not to trust. Similar to the NC Dot dismantling, someone will get their tighties in a bunch over something simple and it all unravels.

Luckily we can fall back on our list of blues.

Or TEST will become the next overlord of nullsec. Which would be worse?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#13 - 2012-12-17 03:55:31 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I'd go with the last option. Much like nobody ever expected to Log in to EVE and find out BoB was disbanded by a one man loophole, much like the poor bastard who went away for a weekend wasn't expecting U'K to get disbanded, Goons will get theirs in the same way. It might not be a spy, it could be someone they trust and have no reason not to trust. Similar to the NC Dot dismantling, someone will get their tighties in a bunch over something simple and it all unravels.

Luckily we can fall back on our list of blues.

Or TEST will become the next overlord of nullsec. Which would be worse?


I'm not sure there is a difference between SA and Reddit. They are both of the same objective.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-17 04:23:15 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I'd go with the last option. Much like nobody ever expected to Log in to EVE and find out BoB was disbanded by a one man loophole, much like the poor bastard who went away for a weekend wasn't expecting U'K to get disbanded, Goons will get theirs in the same way. It might not be a spy, it could be someone they trust and have no reason not to trust. Similar to the NC Dot dismantling, someone will get their tighties in a bunch over something simple and it all unravels.

Luckily we can fall back on our list of blues.

Or TEST will become the next overlord of nullsec. Which would be worse?


I'm not sure there is a difference between SA and Reddit. They are both of the same objective.


I see what you did there. Not subtle enough.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2012-12-17 04:25:17 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I'd go with the last option. Much like nobody ever expected to Log in to EVE and find out BoB was disbanded by a one man loophole, much like the poor bastard who went away for a weekend wasn't expecting U'K to get disbanded, Goons will get theirs in the same way. It might not be a spy, it could be someone they trust and have no reason not to trust. Similar to the NC Dot dismantling, someone will get their tighties in a bunch over something simple and it all unravels.

Luckily we can fall back on our list of blues.

Or TEST will become the next overlord of nullsec. Which would be worse?

I'm not sure there is a difference between SA and Reddit. They are both of the same objective.

I see what you did there. Not subtle enough.

They haven't seen HBC local spam....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#16 - 2012-12-17 11:19:40 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Here's a rough map I made a few days ago for to show to rough political breakdown to some guys from another game:

http://i.imgur.com/WXqG4.jpg

Might be some inaccuracies between N3 and Neo-Curse, and I don't know anything really about the "Provi-block".


dat overlap :smug:


OP's questions have been largely answered. I think Null politics is heading to a plateuax of non-invasion where there will be 3 power blocs all staring at each other and no-one really thinking it's worth the effort to try and invade the other two.

Basically we're going to show people how awesome High Sec and Faction Warfare could be if it's done properly.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
malron Tzash
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#17 - 2012-12-17 21:25:49 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Here's a rough map I made a few days ago for to show to rough political breakdown to some guys from another game:

http://i.imgur.com/WXqG4.jpg

Might be some inaccuracies between N3 and Neo-Curse, and I don't know anything really about the "Provi-block".


dat overlap :smug:


OP's questions have been largely answered. I think Null politics is heading to a plateuax of non-invasion where there will be 3 power blocs all staring at each other and no-one really thinking it's worth the effort to try and invade the other two.

Basically we're going to show people how awesome High Sec and Faction Warfare could be if it's done properly.


im not sure sure about high-sec warfare being awesome, but then again its probably better than having supercaps dropped on you every time you try to do a roam (yes PL im looking at you)

There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2012-12-17 21:28:45 UTC
malron Tzash wrote:
im not sure sure about high-sec warfare being awesome, but then again its probably better than having supercaps dropped on you every time you try to do a roam (yes PL im looking at you)

Ah yes, I can't wait for the next time PL tries to hotdrop a random t1 frigate roam with titans.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#19 - 2012-12-17 21:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Here's a rough map I made a few days ago for to show to rough political breakdown to some guys from another game:

http://i.imgur.com/WXqG4.jpg

Might be some inaccuracies between N3 and Neo-Curse, and I don't know anything really about the "Provi-block".



That looks about right...
SoCo is gone, ROL is basicly open to whoever wants to take it, though they and -A- might resist somewhat
Kadeshi, Mildly Sover/Mildly Intoxicated are working loosely with N3
Pangu are part of N3 (much more so than Kadeshi are)
IRC are with SOLAR

Edit: And dont flatter RANE, they rent from Neo-Curse, absolutely awful alliance...

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#20 - 2012-12-17 23:08:03 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Here's a rough map I made a few days ago for to show to rough political breakdown to some guys from another game:

http://i.imgur.com/WXqG4.jpg

Might be some inaccuracies between N3 and Neo-Curse, and I don't know anything really about the "Provi-block".


Man, I remember when all TEST had to its name was a tiny cluster of stars we called the TESTagram that Goonswarm loaned to us.

It's been a wild f'ing ride.
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