Player Features and Ideas Discussion

never said that these are real facts now did i? i even said that this is an approx ratio, also i did ask for your opinions to make the requirements unabusable, read it above please.

Thats what i meant by invalid arguments. you are not even trying to read. bring good arguments to your side and i am more than willing to discuss them or heck even agree with you.



and another one who failes at reading carefully. i said that this is an issue and needs improvement. jeees...


again, the suggestion is that the active skillpoint earning does even take longer, the benefit is fun nothing more.



im not asking for such a scenario. i was just referring to the statement that eve pvp is competative, which is not for the very reason i gave him. nothing more.


your point is? im fine with the current sandbox and how it works, i was just telling Destination SkillQueue who is afraid that with my suggestion would put favor in certain playstyles over others, which is already the case (which isnt an issue for me).

---]Also... learn and remember Malcanis' Law.
"Any edge or benefit given in the name of helping newer, poorer player will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer players."

Again...i already suggested to make those optional system be available as an expanded tutorial. no benefits for older players.

Seriously, can you all please read ->think->post, in that order? Wow..

So you don't give real facts, yet want us to provide requirements to this idea to make it workable? And you say my argument is invalid.

We already know it's a bad idea and the onus is upon you to prove it to be a good one. That's how this works.

So far you said this game is the "one of the biggest grindgame out there", yet you and everyone else says otherwise.
You then claim certain things as facts and when I say they are not facts, then say that you didn't say they were real facts. So facts are OK, as long as they are not real ones?

Do you even have anything that resembles a coherent argument, for this idea? One that's actually based on facts and game mechanics? Anything? Anything valid, as you would say?

this is not a good idea.

First of all, you realize that after one or two months the limiting factor of everything in eve is isk not SP right?

SP means actually nothing in this game if youre smart enough.

Unfortunately the base mechanic of your idea (grinding for SP) is offensive to many of us. Discussion can't really progress beyond this point unless you can convince us that it won't cause people to ceaselessly grind and offer greater advantages to older, richer players.


Well... you could add a limitation that the amount of SP gained is based upon the value of the hull killed... but this would only serve to put more power in the hands of rich veteran players who can afford to put an alt in an expensive ship and "suicide it" to gain more SP, faster.

You could put an SP "limit" on the active training... that you can only gain X amount of SP through active training or active train up to X skill points... but then you run into three problems.

The first is that veteran players can still accelerate the specialization of their alts for specific tasks (e.g. suicide ganking alts).
The second is that this will becomes the "new learning skills"... you'll be at a "disadvantage" if you don't use it and grind like crazy.
The third is that this is a "slippery slope"... especially so if there are "limits" attached to it. People will ask why this can't be on all the time. And personally, they should NOT be catered to.


I'm pretty certain Blazzard didn't intend on people to have gotten to level 60 in Diablo 3 in the space of 24 hours (http://www.almostgaming.com/diablo3/diablo-3-quickest-way-to-level-to-60).

See... you may design an "active system" to take longer than the current passive training que... but I assure you that players will find a way to take full advantage of it and MAKE IT work faster.

And this is actually a very good thing. It weeds the short attention span people out sooner rather than later and we're all better for it.

Mind you, making ISK isn't that hard either. There are many more options available now than the three (ratting, mining, buy/sell NPC-goods) when I started. You just have to think about how to go about it which, again, weeds out short attention span people.