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Thrasher PVP FIt, i need some critical comments
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irishFour
Almost Dangerous
#1 - 2012-12-15 22:12:09 UTC
Below is a fit i just made for a thrasher.
Since the nerf to hmls, I'm at a loss to what would be a good small gang/home defense ship.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1-S5yFaxe9dEzgiS_CuhCQ8GqVtrepr7Jus2iV67m4lY/edit

I worry about the survivability against battlecruiser, drones, and faction cruisers. As those would be the primary targets. Battleships wouldnt do much, and I think It would handle most non faction frigates.

Im not a pvp expert, so please give me some advice.

I like to have my cake and eat it too
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-15 23:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
you worried about survivability and therefore decided to skip fitting a tank? Big smile

Also ask yourself if you will actually get into web & shooting range of your target using AB and long point.

here are two popular AC fittings:
Quote:
[Thrasher, shield]
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Quote:
[Thrasher, armor]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Artillery Thrashers often omit tank, here's one example (3rd mid and 3rd rig slot can be varied):

Quote:
[Thrasher, arty]
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II,Scan Resolution Script

280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#3 - 2012-12-16 00:03:28 UTC
For close range, the Catalyst will beat down an AC Thrasher. It simply has more firepower that it can project farther. It is also faster. The Algos has similar firepower to the AC Thrasher while sporting around 40% more EHP.

For long range the beam Coercer or rail Corm/Cat again push more firepower further. They are also more forgiving with a higher rate of fire and quick ammo changes. Unless you need the alpha for breaking through logistics, the Thrasher is obsolete.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-12-16 05:35:43 UTC
Arty thrasher best thrasher.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#5 - 2012-12-16 08:51:16 UTC
TD thrasher best thrasher.

An AC thrasher will eat drones without much difficulty, presuming you've got the tank to survive them long enough to do so. It's not so great against battlecruisers unless you can dogpile one running solo and shut it down with ewar. And perhaps this is just me, but I wouldn't put an afterburner on a destroyer except for a few gimmick fits. You will just get kited by everything.

Honestly, if you need disposable, accessible home defense ships, a mix of frigates and cruisers is probably a better bet.
Kilroy Nightbarr
Anarchic Exploration
#6 - 2012-12-16 21:37:17 UTC
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i need some critical comments


You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.

(Sorry, too easy.)
Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-17 04:27:22 UTC
Drop the Webifier for a Medium Shield Extender II.
Rigs should focus on shield.
Replace Afterburner with Micro Warpdrive.

Besides that, it looks half decent.
Aria Ta'Rohk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-17 06:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Ta'Rohk
Thrasher: Lock Pop it Pod it

Highs:
280mm Howitzer Artillery II x6

Mids:
Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Lows:
Gyrostabilizer II x2

Rigs:
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Projectile Collision Accelrator I

Use close range ammo, and just instapop most frigs. Web anything that gets close and pull away, then pop them. Fairly simple ship to fly.

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-17 09:25:35 UTC
For small gang/ defense fleets I would go with the arty thrasher. Once the fleets engage just hunt down their fast tackle and insta-pop them. That will be your primary purpose. If you get that done then you can start acting like tackle and going after larger ships.
Your worst enemies are going to be cruisers and BC's as they have that much more tank and dmg, with enough ewar through webs, neuts etc to murder you.

Your defense is that there are other ships in your fleet that the enemy will want to kill first, if they decide your a problem you will die. Fast. and there's not a lot you can do about it P

No Worries
takedoom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-19 03:25:22 UTC
You need to fit 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I on all the turret slots.

http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#11 - 2012-12-20 05:27:59 UTC
Fit a 10mn afterburner, a meta medium shield extender, and some nano's Lol . You might have to drop the guns to 150's instead of 200's I don't remember exactly. I used this ship a lot though the 10mn afterburner does a lot for it and negates heavy missile damage well, any larger weapons really.