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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#61 - 2012-12-15 19:51:12 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
That math is still nowhere close to the Calculus, at all


The sexagesimal system of math is much more complex than our current one. Everyone agrees on that. Some also claim it was more accurate at working with very small or very large numbers, so maybe even a better system than what we use.

And they were the first culture to use symbols to represent large numbers in Math, which could be considered the beginning of Algebra. Algebra was born in the same area, after all.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
And I guarantee you they had no idea of what the speed of light was. Or even wondered if it had a speed. It just 'was' to them.

And I've heard the thing about sirius, and it was definitely a story they told as part of a myth. If it can't be seen with the naked eye...they can't see or know of it fo real. QED.

Methinks you have been reading too much of this nonsense.


And methinks you haven't been reading about much of this at all. It's easy to just dismiss everything, or maybe at most go to the skeptics dictionary and let them tell you what to think. Read it all for yourself and decide. Don't even let me do the thinking for you.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
also, what is this 21st Century looking to the past for solutions instead of thinking forward and finding new solutions ? I find it really seriously disturbing.

Without forward thinking, we would not be communicating in this way at all. Aand not nearly so fast.


I don't think anyone is looking to the past for solutions. Just trying to make sense of our past. A lot of things don't add up. We can't be sure of our future without knowing our past.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Reiisha
#62 - 2012-12-15 21:22:25 UTC
Even if the end of the world happens i'm refusing to acknowledge it since i'm seeing my GF again next saturday.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#63 - 2012-12-15 21:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Bane Necran wrote:
The sexagesimal system of math is much more complex than our current one. Everyone agrees on that. Some also claim it was more accurate at working with very small or very large numbers, so maybe even a better system than what we use.

And they were the first culture to use symbols to represent large numbers in Math, which could be considered the beginning of Algebra. Algebra was born in the same area, after all.

And methinks you haven't been reading about much of this at all. It's easy to just dismiss everything, or maybe at most go to the skeptics dictionary and let them tell you what to think. Read it all for yourself and decide. Don't even let me do the thinking for you.

I don't think anyone is looking to the past for solutions. Just trying to make sense of our past. A lot of things don't add up. We can't be sure of our future without knowing our past.



One of the main points of mathematics is simplification, not complexity. The calculus allows extensions of itself to be applied not only to biology and chemistry, but astronomy....and just about anything else. In fact everything. And yes Algebra was born in the same area. But even then the concept of Integration was nonexistent and unknown. And their system is unworkable for quantuum equations and Infinite Set Theory in particular. Also again, no zero. 1-1 equaled the unknown.

Our system is just fine with both large and small numbers. Not sure what that statement is supposed to mean.

None of this is 'better' than our system in anyway. Otherwise, every mathemetician would have poo-poohed Newton and his Principia awhile back. If anyone ever wrote a proof of the existence of God, every scientist and mathematician would immediately start believeing. Trust me on that one.

Thank you for presenting what you did. Yes, I read through it all and have come to my own conclusions. None of it was alien or wrong, but none of your statements are concludable by the materials presented.

Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn.

I just do not believe these systems were better or more efficient. We would have adopted them if so. That's all really.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#64 - 2012-12-15 21:59:13 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Even if the end of the world happens i'm refusing to acknowledge it since i'm seeing my GF again next saturday.



That will happen.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Alpheias
The Khaleph
#65 - 2012-12-15 22:09:45 UTC
I for one hope for mass suicide on a global scale so I can read about it on the 22nd and have a jolly good laugh.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#66 - 2012-12-15 22:14:32 UTC
That is one of the few times I would laugh over that kind of circumstance.

Culling the herd, indeed.



edit: 4 typos if you can believe that.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#67 - 2012-12-15 22:19:42 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn


silly augustus and his legions.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#68 - 2012-12-16 19:54:46 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



One of the main points of mathematics is simplification, not complexity. The calculus allows extensions of itself to be applied not only to biology and chemistry, but astronomy....and just about anything else. In fact everything. And yes Algebra was born in the same area. But even then the concept of Integration was nonexistent and unknown. And their system is unworkable for quantuum equations and Infinite Set Theory in particular. Also again, no zero. 1-1 equaled the unknown.

Our system is just fine with both large and small numbers. Not sure what that statement is supposed to mean.

None of this is 'better' than our system in anyway. Otherwise, every mathemetician would have poo-poohed Newton and his Principia awhile back. If anyone ever wrote a proof of the existence of God, every scientist and mathematician would immediately start believeing. Trust me on that one.

Thank you for presenting what you did. Yes, I read through it all and have come to my own conclusions. None of it was alien or wrong, but none of your statements are concludable by the materials presented.

Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn.

I just do not believe these systems were better or more efficient. We would have adopted them if so. That's all really.


None of this has much to do with the thread anymore, and you're just derailing it.

You don't seem to really understand how a sexegesimal math system works, and got confused about it having no zero, so i'm not sure you're qualified to comment. I'll take the opinion of all the math historians who say the sexegesimal system is more complex than one based on zero, if you don't mind. Anyway, lets leave the Sumerians behind.

We lost some information in the Library of Alexandria, but you'd be surprised how much still exists, out of the public eye. Knowledge is power, and some people want to keep that power to themselves. You won't be taught it in school or on TV, but it remains to be found by anyone who searches hard enough, and can separate the wheat from the chaff. Sure the common people with their herd mentality may dismiss it on the grounds that it's not what they were taught in school so must be lies, and never consider it any further, but they're just societal dead weight, anyway. Anyone who can't use their mind to its full capacity, and instead takes the easy route of consensus trance, is no better than an animal.

But back to the Mayans and the remote possibility of doom in just 4 days.

More dubious info from the people gathering at that mountain in France.

And businesses predictably looking to cash in on the hysteria. Featuring the 'Burgergeddon'. I'm surprised that took so long. For 2000 everywhere i looked for months prior there were "don't pay a cent until 2001" sales going on, hoping to take advantage of anyone silly enough to think they'd never have to pay.

Meanwhile the Mayans aren't sweating it.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#69 - 2012-12-16 21:16:00 UTC
No.

You just seem to want to dismiss modern science entirely or something.

The other side will olways seem wrong to the other side.

This isn't a contest.

The most brilliant minds can barely fathom dark matter and energy, much less myself.

There will always be mysteries.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

pussnheels
Viziam
#70 - 2012-12-16 21:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn


silly augustus and his legions.


it wasn t the romans who burned it down it were the citizen of alexandria itself more preciesly its christian population , and they burned it down because the library contained works that questioned the their truth about the bible

It would take more than 300 years before we had a new golden age of science and that was during the golden age of islam ( 700 to 1100 AD) and sadly ended when a influencial Iman proclaimed it all to be the devils work

the world had to wait till the 17 th century when people like descartes , gallileo and newton (and many more) would finally shatter the bonds of dogmatic religions



back to topic


the mayans and other central and south american culture might have had a good sense of time keeping , afterall their upperclasses had not much else to do between sacrificing countleess number of humans
but their knowledge was in time keeping , noway do they even approach a understanding of the universe as our scientist have now
actually their view and understanding where ratherr primitive and to be honest laughable , the maya s actually believed earth was flat and less than 10000 year old , if you do have a good knowledge of the universe you would know better



this whole doomsday started when some new age guru claimed to found the meaning of the mayan calender throwing a whole bunch of pseudo science to proof his point and make some good money out of it
others followed and jumped on the doomsday band wagon writing books about the end of the world the more ccraziness and absolutre nonsense they could write in it the better , the only people who will really be laughing the 22 nd are those who made alot of mooney out of this hoax

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#71 - 2012-12-16 21:35:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
You just seem to want to dismiss modern science entirely or something.


I'm not sure where you're getting that. I'm obsessed with modern science.

This is just about how so-called primitive cultures had advanced knowledge of things. There's no denying they did. The only thing up for argument is how.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#72 - 2012-12-16 21:41:36 UTC
the romans may not have destroyed it completely. but it did get damaged in several roman campaigns there. caesar damaged it during the egyptian revolts following cleopatra's elevation to power. and augustus certainly caused it harm during his siege of alexandria during the final months of his conflict with marcus antonius.

it's hard to pin down who is most repsonsible. the library was subjected to fire many times.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#73 - 2012-12-16 21:50:45 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
You just seem to want to dismiss modern science entirely or something.


I'm not sure where you're getting that. I'm obsessed with modern science.

This is just about how so-called primitive cultures had advanced knowledge of things. There's no denying they did. The only thing up for argument is how.



You claimed they had better math than the Calculus.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

pussnheels
Viziam
#74 - 2012-12-17 08:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
the romans may not have destroyed it completely. but it did get damaged in several roman campaigns there. caesar damaged it during the egyptian revolts following cleopatra's elevation to power. and augustus certainly caused it harm during his siege of alexandria during the final months of his conflict with marcus antonius.

it's hard to pin down who is most repsonsible. the library was subjected to fire many times.

again not the romans atleast not during the first and second triumvirate ,you are mentioning if i remember correctly octavian was proclaimed emperor Augustus in 29 bc , please correct me if i m wrong on the date
the city itself wasn't touch nor were the great monuments , the library and the lighthouse damaged and Alexandria went into a second golden age , when egypt became Roman province, becoming the Major trade and city of learning c in the classical world untill emperor constantine decided to make constantinopel his capital even then the city flourished and was one of the major trading hubs ; its decline only started after the fall of constantinople in 1457 and the Ottomans decided to make that city the major trade hub but by then all the great monuments had dissapeared and Alexandrie faded into history

back to topic

Why do people assume the Mayans had a greater knowledge of the universe and its working even when a small climate change litteraly brought down their civilization ,all because their agricultural system was rather primitive compared to agricultural systems in Europe, north africa and Asia

No nothing will happen this friday and i think hyping such things is even dangerous

one thing however is certain ,in 5 billion years our sun will have burned its last hydrogen and its outer sphere will expand swallowing the 3 innerplanets and maybe mars aswell ending the exsistence of this planet , tho i doubt we still will be there if that happens that is the only prediction i will believe in

And unless somebody comes up with hard scientific evidence , all others are scams and hoaxes

Edit you partly right about the great library it was actually destroyed 3 times and rebuild last time in 391 by christians , and never rebuild after that

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

pussnheels
Viziam
#75 - 2012-12-17 13:00:08 UTC
second thoughts
the world will end on friday december 21

only found out a few hours ago that a person dear to me at the office is going on pension this thursday
she is our cleaners on this floor and a lovely charming person who is always there if you needed her i can only admire her trully will feel like the end of the world for us at the office

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Calico-Jack Daniels
#76 - 2012-12-17 14:40:25 UTC
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

I go well with Quafe...

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#77 - 2012-12-17 14:47:43 UTC
Calico-Jack Daniels wrote:
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."



Yes....see my posting above about the rural family doomsday gatherings in Arkansas.

I believe they simply cannot read (such as the passage your statement is from), and are only told.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#78 - 2012-12-17 16:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
And I've heard the thing about sirius, and it was definitely a story they told as part of a myth. If it can't be seen with the naked eye...they can't see or know of it fo real. QED.
I don't follow. Are you saying that: -The Dogon didn't have the technology to see the planet -Therefore, that proves that they did not know that it exists? Just because current science can't explain how they knew it, that doesn't mean that they didn't know it. That's a problem with Western science, I think. It denies anything which cannot be proved. And by proved, they mean measured and quantified. Measured using only the tools and theories that are currently available. That Cartesian thinking, of breaking things down into discrete, measurable components, works well for concrete things like engineering. But Heisenberg's theory has shown, not everything in the universe can be pinned down, broken into its components, and measured with a 21st century measuring tool.

I personally think that "paranormal events", "miracles," or whatever you want to call them do happen. And that there's a scientific explanation for them. We just haven't found it yet.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#79 - 2012-12-17 16:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Khergit Deserters wrote:

I personally think that "paranormal events", "miracles," or whatever you want to call them do happen. And that there's a scientific explanation for them. We just haven't found it yet.



This statement I do agree with wholeheartedly.

edit: I've experienced a few myself. Too long a story to relate here.

But if it is not detected with the senses, like that planet, it's not real. It's myth.

There is no explanation for Medusa as she could not really be seen, heard, etc., much less really experienced. Therefore fiction.

The difference between truth and mythology in ancient eras is a job for better minds than you or I. They are called Anthropologists.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#80 - 2012-12-17 17:15:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There is no explanation for Medusa as she could not really be seen, heard, etc., much less really experienced. Therefore fiction


actually, medusa is real. she works in HR at my hospital. she's put on a good deal of weight though.