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What is there to do in this game

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Lynix Loopadoop
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-15 08:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lynix Loopadoop
Ok so I have 2 questions for everyone today my first is, what exactly is there to do in eve in regards to solo PVE? and second one is: what is the best ship for me to start with?

Every time I ask about ships I get told not to buy what I'm thinking of buying but I cant see why they would be bad for PVE... I'm confused to say the least and think I need some more attentive help because atm rookie chat is just making me more confused.


To make it clear I have no idea what is in the game for PVE besides missions.

EDIT: I recently sold plex so I have about 550m ISK so money not a huge object.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-15 09:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Solo PvE:

* Mission running
* Exploration
* Low class WH

What ships:

Depends on your race and playstyle and yes, some ships are better suited as PvE ships then others due to their bonuses, stats and fitting layout.

EDIT:

Selling a PLEX doesn't make money not an issue anymore. It gives you a burst of money, but you don't have a sustainable income to support anything expensive (as even expensive ships are lost from time to time).

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-15 09:17:29 UTC
The new player/NPC corp chats are generally terrible for specialized advice. They're nice for basic help and fact checking, but if you want to get proper answers from people who actually know their stuff, ask it in the proper forum section.

First you should decide what you are interested in. Your goal in PvE will change what kind of ships and equipment are preferable and needed, since the content they offer varies quite a bit. Mission running and ratting is your basic steady PvE ISK grind, exploration resembles gambling with a small chance of getting good loot drops and wormhole diving is reliably rewarding, but risky and challenging.

Since you mentioned missioning, the basic mission running content really just requires a solid tank and damage. As the difficulty level of missions increase, so does the tanking and damage requirements, but the basic nature of missions stays the same. In general terms lvl1 missions are for frigate sized ships, lvl2 for cruiser, lvl3 for battlecruisers and lvl4 for battleships. Pretty much any ship in the proper category is good enough with decent support skills, but you can always use other ships to complete them. The size recommendation is there to give you some idea what level of tank and DPS is required to handle them. There are also lvl5 missions, but you will want to ignore them until you really know what you're doing.
Doddy
Excidium.
#4 - 2012-12-15 09:59:51 UTC
Well one of the first things you have to learn in eve is not to listen to idiots. Solo Pve can be done in a great many ships just fine, the mouthbreathers who like to tell new players what to do will poo-poo anything that isn't fotm min maxed though. If you believe them it is impossible to do pve without a machariel or nightmare.

For pve (i assume you mean missions) all you need is a ship that can tank and project some damage. Drake is perfect for level 3s for example but you can fit any of the turret bcs to do them quite well, it might just not be quite so minlessly easy.

The ships you shouldn't really take for solo pve are the ones that are for either groups or are pvp specialised. So no

Logitics
Fleet comand ships
recons (though arbitrator can be decent for lo sec explo pve)
Heavy interdictors
Interdictors
electronic attack frigates
Interceptors (except some speed tanking situations)
stealth bombers (except some bs npcs only situations)
electronic attack frigates
covert ops (except some hi sec explo)
t1 support and disruption frigates
t1 support and disruption cruisers.
The scorpion

All other can be used in at least some for of PvE.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-15 10:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Doddy wrote:
Well one of the first things you have to learn in eve is not to listen to idiots. Solo Pve can be done in a great many ships just fine, the mouthbreathers who like to tell new players what to do will poo-poo anything that isn't fotm min maxed though. If you believe them it is impossible to do pve without a machariel or nightmare.

For pve (i assume you mean missions) all you need is a ship that can tank and project some damage. Drake is perfect for level 3s for example but you can fit any of the turret bcs to do them quite well, it might just not be quite so minlessly easy.

The ships you shouldn't really take for solo pve are the ones that are for either groups or are pvp specialised. So no

Logitics
Fleet comand ships
recons (though arbitrator can be decent for lo sec explo pve)
Heavy interdictors
Interdictors
electronic attack frigates
Interceptors (except some speed tanking situations)
stealth bombers (except some bs npcs only situations)
electronic attack frigates
covert ops (except some hi sec explo)
t1 support and disruption frigates
t1 support and disruption cruisers.
The scorpion

All other can be used in at least some for of PvE.



Arbitrator is a T1 ship, not a recon... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arbitrator

Recons are: Curse and Pilgrim

Other then that...nothing to add.

PvE ships need a nice tank and the ability to do damage.

PvE tanking is centred around being able to sustain a stable amount of incoming DPS over a longer time period

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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-15 18:35:02 UTC
Also, if you're going to be running a lot of missions and you're ok for isk, invest in the(I think its called now) 'Security connections' skillbook and train it to 3 or 4. It makes them more profitable.
Also train up 'Social' 'Negotiation' and 'Connections'.

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Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#7 - 2012-12-15 19:26:26 UTC
Lynix Loopadoop wrote:
To make it clear I have no idea what is in the game for PVE besides missions.

OK, this needs looking at too. First because you specified PvP and second because you are just getting told about missions.

In PvE, missions are boring. You can make good isk doing them if you like it, but they are boring and you aren't expected to do them if they aren't your cup of tea.

You can also use astrometrics to find things like enemy bases, abandoned ancient stuff that has loot, or interesting things to mine.

You could mine. Don't mine if you don't like to, mining is the retail/fast food job of EVE, anyone can get started in it but it won't take you far.

Notice here i've just said what you can do in safe space. I'll come back to this again.

Next comes the whole business and industry thing. "Crafting" if you play other games. This is actually pretty huge. Some people make money just buying the ore miners dig up, refine it, and resell it, some buy metals and build components, some buy stuff people have salvaged from wrecks and make rigs, some people buy items that are underpriced, melt them down and sell the metals, some people just buy stuff that's cheap, wait till everyone starts building stuff again and sells it all back.
whew!

Bur EVE isn't a PvE game, it's a PvP game. So you're going to have to learn how to wander around in unsafe space if you want the good options. Out in lowsec and 0.0 those little red plusses that pew pew at you pathetically fly battleships, and the payout is yummy. The ores are fancier. People can build their own stations and be able to research blueprints to build things better, like those things that say "II" at the end or combat pills.

If you go there you might get caught up in a war or something. "Sorry, not safe to mine, do you know how to fly a logistics ship?" Or you might have to deal with pirate types who are flying around looking for a fight, and when they see you mining or whatever say "That's probably a trap.. yay! I like traps!" only to be a little bit disappointed when they find out you really were as squishy as you looked. So you need to learn how to not be as squishy as you looked, so you don't come back and be all "augh someone blew me up!"

..I think I got off topic there a little bit. You get the point.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#8 - 2012-12-15 22:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Since AI changes will make missions more expensive on a new player and eat your profits with drone costs and time, go, Corax, Drake, Nighthawk as Tengu is nice pve hull but expensive for new player until your self sustaining .

Skipped one insert caracal in between Corax and Drake.
Cause even tho you feel rich the skill books, meta 4 mods, ammo will chip away at the isk'es faster then you think, a Drake cost about 55 mil 7 meta 4 launchers about 17 to 24 mil, and passive rigs about 12 to 15 +++ other mods, implants on and on.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#9 - 2012-12-15 23:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
The question you need to ask yourself is "Whose spaceships do I want to make explode?" When you've figured that out come back to us.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#10 - 2012-12-16 01:06:21 UTC
The drake class battlecruiser. All I can say to someone who has declared PVE their goal... (crosses eyes)

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-16 13:14:31 UTC
Lynix Loopadoop wrote:
To make it clear I have no idea what is in the game for PVE besides missions.


PvE in EVE has one singular purpose: to make you enough money to do something else you enjoy. All advice, fittings, strategies, etc. you receive will be focused solely on getting as much ISK per hour as you can, so you don't have to spend your valuable time grinding NPCs.

EVE is not primarily a PvE game. There is no end-game PvE content in the traditional sense, no instances, no raids, no epix lootz. (Okay there's incursions which are kinda sorta similar, but that's definitely not a solo thing.) If you've run a few missions and gone through the exploration tutorial, you've pretty much seen all that PvE in EVE has to offer. Everything else will be just a repeat with bigger NPCs. If this is enough for you - fine. There are many more people in EVE for whom it is. But if you are looking for a quality skill-based challenging PvE game, please save yourself a few months of training and try another game.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-12-17 01:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Lynix Loopadoop wrote:
To make it clear I have no idea what is in the game for PVE besides missions.


PvE in EVE has one singular purpose: to make you enough money to do something else you enjoy. All advice, fittings, strategies, etc. you receive will be focused solely on getting as much ISK per hour as you can, so you don't have to spend your valuable time grinding NPCs.

EVE is not primarily a PvE game. There is no end-game PvE content in the traditional sense, no instances, no raids, no epix lootz. (Okay there's incursions which are kinda sorta similar, but that's definitely not a solo thing.) If you've run a few missions and gone through the exploration tutorial, you've pretty much seen all that PvE in EVE has to offer. Everything else will be just a repeat with bigger NPCs. If this is enough for you - fine. There are many more people in EVE for whom it is. But if you are looking for a quality skill-based challenging PvE game, please save yourself a few months of training and try another game.


Essentially this. Level 4 missions can be fun, but they will get boring quick. And it's usually something people do to farm standings... in association with some isk. You can make an ok amount of isk running/salvaging lvl 4's, but it will eventually bore you to tears. What Abdiel Kavash is saying in other words is that Eve is a PvP focused game. Everything at some point or another boils down to some form of PvP, even forum posts. And if you're doing something to make you isk, a lot of times it's to fuel your PvP; whether that be solo, corp, or alliance.

If you find yourself only wanting to run missions, there's nothing wrong with that. I ran missions for about a year on another char. This guide is what I used and it helped me out a lot.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=missionreports

Edit: With ships, work your way up. Frigs, destroyers for 1s. Cruisers for 2s. Battle cruisers for 3s. And Battleships for 4s; BS or Strategic Cruisers, but probably stick with BS.

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