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Siege Brisbane
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-12-16 05:12:13 UTC
For about three hours now, I've been watching some dudes gank an ice miner, concorde spawns and pops them. The dudes then spawn concorde elsewhere in the system (namely on undock shooting at their alt), which removes concorde from the belt so they can pop another mack.

I'd swear I recall reading someplace spawning concorde elsewhere to continue ganking in a specific place was considered an exploit. Is/was that true?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-16 05:14:40 UTC
Siege Brisbane wrote:
For about three hours now, I've been watching some dudes gank an ice miner, concorde spawns and pops them. The dudes then spawn concorde elsewhere in the system (namely on undock shooting at their alt), which removes concorde from the belt so they can pop another mack.

I'd swear I recall reading someplace spawning concorde elsewhere to continue ganking in a specific place was considered an exploit. Is/was that true?


IIRC no since it's sometime also used for other type of ganks without action being taken by CCP. The problem is on the mack's owner side.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-12-16 05:23:22 UTC
This is 100% allowed, by both sides. Miners are allowed to do this in belts to get Concord there, and gankers may do the same to get Concord away. This was a strategy many miners adopted during Hulkaggeddon.
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-16 06:22:25 UTC
Sounds like cutting-edge, emergant game-play to me.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#5 - 2012-12-16 06:24:26 UTC
Elvis Fett wrote:
This is 100% allowed, by both sides. Miners are allowed to do this in belts to get Concord there, and gankers may do the same to get Concord away. This was a strategy many miners adopted during Hulkaggeddon.

Spawning/pulling concord is a very old thing, yeah.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-16 06:26:26 UTC
Another goon alt thread. *sigh*
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-16 07:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
The whole thing is kind of funny is some respects.

I always wondered if your ship is insured why the person that destroyed you in a illegal act wasn't slapped with the bill.
I mean should insurance take a loss they don't in RL.

Then again I guess that would mean you couldn't suicide your ships then.
And wars would be real interesting as well, unless you insurance is null in void.

Back in the 90's a plane overshot a runway in England and hit the motorway and cut a a van in half.
I always wondered how the guy filled out that insurance form..
Well you see there I was driving down the road when ......

Makes me wonder if players had to fill out an insurance form to get there ISK back what they would read like.

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ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-16 10:17:17 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
The whole thing is kind of funny is some respects.

I always wondered if your ship is insured why the person that destroyed you in a illegal act wasn't slapped with the bill.
I mean should insurance take a loss they don't in RL.

Then again I guess that would mean you couldn't suicide your ships then.
And wars would be real interesting as well, unless you insurance is null in void.

Back in the 90's a plane overshot a runway in England and hit the motorway and cut a a van in half.
I always wondered how the guy filled out that insurance form..
Well you see there I was driving down the road when ......

Makes me wonder if players had to fill out an insurance form to get there ISK back what they would read like.

You were the one flying the plane weren't you?

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-16 10:31:59 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
The whole thing is kind of funny is some respects.

I always wondered if your ship is insured why the person that destroyed you in a illegal act wasn't slapped with the bill.
I mean should insurance take a loss they don't in RL.

Then again I guess that would mean you couldn't suicide your ships then.
And wars would be real interesting as well, unless you insurance is null in void.

Back in the 90's a plane overshot a runway in England and hit the motorway and cut a a van in half.
I always wondered how the guy filled out that insurance form..
Well you see there I was driving down the road when ......

Makes me wonder if players had to fill out an insurance form to get there ISK back what they would read like.


Most of us can separate real life from a video game, it looks like you are having trouble with this maybe you should get help.

Are you sure you want a video game that realistic?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-16 12:39:43 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
I always wondered if your ship is insured why the person that destroyed you in a illegal act wasn't slapped with the bill.
I mean should insurance take a loss they don't in RL.


Because you are comparing a game mechanic which exists for specific gameplay reasons to a real-life policy which has nothing in common with the former, except for sharing the same name.
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#11 - 2012-12-16 12:52:56 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
I always wondered if your ship is insured why the person that destroyed you in a illegal act wasn't slapped with the bill.
I mean should insurance take a loss they don't in RL.


Because you are comparing a game mechanic which exists for specific gameplay reasons to a real-life policy which has nothing in common with the former, except for sharing the same name.


From a RP point of view insuring ships is absurd the way we go through them. Eve is a commercial universe, no insurance company would ever insure us.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#12 - 2012-12-16 13:51:59 UTC
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
I always wondered if your ship is insured why the person that destroyed you in a illegal act wasn't slapped with the bill.
I mean should insurance take a loss they don't in RL.


Because you are comparing a game mechanic which exists for specific gameplay reasons to a real-life policy which has nothing in common with the former, except for sharing the same name.


From a RP point of view insuring ships is absurd the way we go through them. Eve is a commercial universe, no insurance company would ever insure us.



Lloyds would, and does, they just charge massive premiums Pirate

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-12-16 15:11:59 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Are you sure you want a video game that realistic?

Looks like EVE to me.

Jokes aside, yeah, insurance is one thing that makes no sense and don't even have half-plausible explanation given how EVE economy works at large.
Anyways, I wouldn't QQ about CCP making partial ship reimbursement Smile

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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#14 - 2012-12-16 15:15:19 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
Are you sure you want a video game that realistic?

Looks like EVE to me.

Jokes aside, yeah, insurance is one thing that makes no sense and don't even have half-plausible explanation given how EVE economy works at large.
Anyways, I wouldn't QQ about CCP making partial ship reimbursement Smile


It was brought in a long time back (around 2004/5 iirc) when it was much harder to generate ISK so losing even a cruiser was a big deal.

It's redundant now IMV and time it was got rid of.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#15 - 2012-12-16 15:39:31 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

Makes me wonder if players had to fill out an insurance form to get there ISK back what they would read like.


Now that would be priceless.

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prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
#16 - 2012-12-16 19:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: prolix travail
foxnod wrote:
Sounds like cutting-edge, emergant game-play to me.


Don't worry, it'll get nerfed soon so only miners can use it.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-16 19:58:04 UTC
Siege Brisbane wrote:
For about three hours now, I've been watching some dudes gank an ice miner



Instead of just watching grab a ship with a salvager, Mack wrecks should give t2 salvage and if you're lucky you're there before the suicide ganker alt comes to do the same =)
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