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Switching ships from an Orca during combat; wasn't it fixed?

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The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-15 23:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: The Protato
So a few minutes ago in Aunia, somebody in local asks for help killing a thief. Naturally, bored as I was, I turned up in my crusader to see a suspect Ishkur sitting there. So I proceed to start the pewpew action and kill his drones.

Content with killmails as I was, I decided to hold him there and ask him in local to return the loot and apologise to the carebear running the mission for :citizenjustice:. No answer from him, so I start shooting him.

The Crusader has negligible DPS but eventually he gets to 20% armour. Suddenly, I see his shield start boosting and wonder what kind of gimpy non-fit I had stumbled across. Then, looking at my overview, I see a scimitar shield transferring him and an orca landing on us.

Here's the interesting bit: the ishkur disappears from my overview and a hurricane appears instead. Naturally I do what any glasstank pilot would do and cheese it.

Wasn't this supposed to be fixed? The suspect RR is fine, but the orca landing ongrid and allowing him to change ships really broils my beef. Or something alliterated. No :citizenjustice: can be served until this is answered for!
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#2 - 2012-12-15 23:34:41 UTC
The fix was to disallow it while aggressed (the 1 minute timer you get when you shoot or w/e). My guess is that he simply deaggressed and waited 1 minute and then stored his ship.

Hard to say for sure.
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-15 23:35:56 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
The fix was to disallow it while aggressed (the 1 minute timer you get when you shoot or w/e). My guess is that he simply deaggressed and waited 1 minute and then stored his ship.

Hard to say for sure.


That makes sense. I can't remember him shooting at me, but none of his shots previously had landed so idk.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2012-12-15 23:50:14 UTC
The Protato wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:
The fix was to disallow it while aggressed (the 1 minute timer you get when you shoot or w/e). My guess is that he simply deaggressed and waited 1 minute and then stored his ship.

Hard to say for sure.


That makes sense. I can't remember him shooting at me, but none of his shots previously had landed so idk.

This is probably what happened. Note the effects of the Weapons flag, which go away after 60 seconds. Basically, he either didn't fire back in the first place, or stopped firing for a minute, after which he was allowed to swap out for his Hurricane.

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Dave stark
#5 - 2012-12-15 23:56:56 UTC
i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress.

next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod.
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-16 00:03:16 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress.

next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod.


So much for :citizenjustice: and my honourtank.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2012-12-16 00:11:47 UTC
The Protato wrote:
So much for :citizenjustice: and my honourtank.

I don't think the Crusader has adequate low slots for enough expanded cargohold modules to be able to properly honourtank.Straight Sorry.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-12-16 00:18:30 UTC
Hmm, I thought that you were unable to swap ships with an orca if another player was shooting you...
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2012-12-16 00:20:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Hmm, I thought that you were unable to swap ships with an orca if another player was shooting you...

Nope. Check the flag consequences again. The only one that gets applied when you're shot is the PVP tag, which only prevents you from disappearing due to log-off for 15 minutes. Docking/ship depositing/jumping restrictions are tied to the weapons flag.

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Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-16 00:23:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Hmm, I thought that you were unable to swap ships with an orca if another player was shooting you...

Only stopped by the weapon timer and the weapon timer is for yourself and not influenced by others. the pvp/LE flag is recycled by others.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#11 - 2012-12-16 00:24:07 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress.

next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod.


This.

Buying time for friends to show up is part of the game, and almost cost you your ship.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-12-16 00:27:13 UTC
Well this should prove an interesting tool to useCool
Dave stark
#13 - 2012-12-16 00:36:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Well this should prove an interesting tool to useCool


i sense many lulz and tears in the future.
i look forward to it.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#14 - 2012-12-16 02:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
New Rule: Those with Suspect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-16 03:16:10 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well.


I like this idea.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-16 03:19:42 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well.


I'm surprised this isn't already the case. Especially considering how logi assistance renders the same S-flag when they assist a C/S-flagged pilot.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-16 03:23:07 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well.


I'm surprised this isn't already the case. Especially considering how logi assistance renders the same S-flag when they assist a C/S-flagged pilot.


It would be a great way to get easy Orca kills.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-12-16 03:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well.


I'm surprised this isn't already the case. Especially considering how logi assistance renders the same S-flag when they assist a C/S-flagged pilot.


It would be a great way to get easy Orca kills.


First person to get a killmail on Battleclinic with an Orca wins EVE.

EDIT: sorry, I just realised you meant the Orca is the intended target.

But it'd still be pretty funny to see a killmail include an Orca on the attacker's fleet P

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-16 03:33:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
First person to get a killmail on Battleclinic with an Orca wins EVE.

EDIT: sorry, I just realised you meant the Orca is the intended target.

But it'd still be pretty funny to see a killmail include an Orca on the attacker's fleet P


Here you go. Why do people use Battleclinic?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-12-16 04:53:01 UTC
Next time shoot the suspect orca. That'll learn him not to put an orca in danger to win a frigate fight.

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