EVE General Discussion

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In many discussions of high v low v null income, the risk v reward concept comes up; many people seem to take this as just some nullbear crying for buffs to his income, or nerfs to high sec income sources. I'd like to discuss how this concept applies to not just eve, but every choice you make in real life as well. I hope you dont go through every logical and mathmatical step to chose your breakfast options or things you do in a video game, but the concept still applies and you do some version of this in your head.

I work as a poker dealer, and in the past played more than I work. I see thousands of risk v reward calculations on a daily basis...seriously, thousands. Good poker players have this equation in their head down pat (check any poker forum, you'll see thread after thread of various situations which all lead to: chances of losing x amount to be lost < chances of winning x amount to be won) because this is the bread and butter of intelligent gambling. Most of them also understand how it applies to other decisions.

The basic equation is INPUT < OUTPUT. Lots of input, little output, meh skip it. Quick and simple task creates lots of cash or gets you a hot date, get to work.

Lets take that breakfast choice as an example, you could go hungry, eat a pop tart, cook a real breakfast, stop at McD on the way to work, or eat at a resturaunt. Maybe you hate cooking or cleaning dishes after, and pop tarts dont seem that bad to you, so this is your routine. Personally, I'm semi cheap, dont mind cooking, havn't had to call the fire dept yet, hate cleaning but I love a good breakfast more than I dont like the other side of the equation, so the input is worth the output to me. Maybe you're rich, hate cooking/cleaning, have plenty of time on your hands and love quality food; you're probably eating at nice resturaunts fairly often. Not very risky, but the concept applies.

Bigger decisions lead to a more in depth equation ....

preperation, money, effort, time, chances of failure, how much of your soul the process sucks out < money, happiness, feeling of importance or accomplishment

Much of this is subjective, based on how you feel about the effort involved and your ability to succeed at the task in a timely manner, or happy/important the results make you feel.

When deciding a career at 18, this equation may look like:
college/training, are you able to do the job at all, how much will you hate the job or your co-workers, how many hours/wk will the job take, travel, will this line of work last < money, friends, awards when finishing projects, ego

A career is one of the most complex choices that the average person makes; there are many factors on both sides of the equation, not just how many hours are spent at the job and how much money you are paid.


That's alot of words for the sole purpose of leading me to this: Similar decisions go into what you do in EVE.

You want to pvp....
skill training, isk and time aquiring ships mods ammo etc at your base of operations, isk and time aquiring and securing your base of operations, time spent finding and chasing targets, chance of getting pounded into space dust
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kills, kills, kills, tears, shiney loot from kills, space gained from your targets if you're fighting over null sec, fame, alliance/corp rewards for being l33t, accomplishment, fun

You want to shoot red crosses and be paid isk....
skill training, isk and time aquiring ships mods ammo etc at your base of operations, isk and time aquiring and securing your base of operations, time to gain rights to rat in your area of choice, time finding empty anomalies or complexes, time to find a group if needed (incursions, complexes), time for interuptions where someone wants to pvp on you, time for CTAs, chance of losing your ship, chance of losing rights to rat in your favorite location
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isk, security status gain, loot drops, LP, accomplishment, fun

You want to mine....
skill training, isk and time aquiring ships mods ammo etc at your base of operations, isk and time aquiring and securing your base of operations, time to gain rights to mine in your area of choice, time finding empty belts or sites with enough ore to support everyone there, time to find a group if needed for pvp protection, time for interuptions where someone wants to pvp on you, time for CTAs, chance of losing your ship, chance of losing rights to mine in your favorite location
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ore, accomplishment, fun

Highsec is broken.

sick mindless people made low sec and 0.0 sec too ricky so risk/reward is worse than in highsec and you say "highsec is broken"?

you know: people are learning to not pee in your pants when they are 1-3 years old. It's really funny that "amateur" Eve community still didn't learn it and need parents (CCP) to clean panties again

LOL

Do you know how many billions get blown up every day in Null?

The whole point of null space is to grind some isk and buy your shiz to get blown up on the next deployment. In my last deployment I spent just shy of 35bil on ships and I have nothing to show for it except the awesome memories whilst heavily intoxicated of the fights we had.

BTW - Blue on blue is a null mechanic and happens daily. We are constantly sending out Blue awoxers alerts and carriers get ganked etc due to hostile fleets being cyno'd in by the awoxer.

You are talking about something you do not understand or what you believe you understand happens in null.

The risk vs reward in null is laughable. I have done over 10 8/10 plex's over the last few days and not one dropped anything worth over 40 mil... Now you say the rewards are far too good in Null... I LOL again Sir!

Null is risky and it has its perks, but these perks are for a reason... Do you have to defend system or region from attacks? Do you have to put your Super cap on the line to hold your asteroid belt or as you say "base of operations"..

You just need to go to the kitchen and pour yourself a nice warm care bear cup of man the f up!

The passion involved in the posts on this subject that I have had to endure for 3 full years now is a mystery to me.

You are not personally going to be the savior here.

Tell CCP your desires and leave the rest of us out of it.

It's simple really.

If they deem your ideas for changes a great, they will implement them.

Believe me, they have a better idea of what they are doing than you ever will.

It's like you are trying to give a Heart Surgeon your own instructions.

More nonsense from the Age of Entitlement, that is what I do know for sure.

Ideas that should be implemented:

No high sec stations should have any lab facilities.

No high sec stations should have manufacturing facilities.

No high sec stations can refine ICE.

All empire(low sec/high sec) space should be FW.

Only FW players can refine ICE in low sec others refine in a POS.

Ships that are cruiser tech 1 and lower can be flown in a NPC corp.

POS fuel is reduced in low sec for FW pilot/corp if you control the system.

Corp recruitment should have an advance Alliance/Corp selection. You can pay to place your alliance at the top of the list.

There should be commission tracking per advertisement form recruitment from ingame tool.

Low sec asteroid fields are upgraded by 1 sec status. so .1 system would have morphite containing ores in them.

Suspect flag mission runners.

Your brain is broken, then.

Why are null and low players so FURIOUSLY DETERMINED to enforce their gamestyle on others? Force it on me, and I'll unsub, as will a huge portion of the playerbase, and then CCP will either have big layoffs which will spell out the end of EVE as you know it, or they'll move 95% of their resources into other games, which will spell out the end of EVE as you know it. Which do you prefer, Einstein?

All you whining null babies are screaming bloody murder about high sec because your rabid desire for "****ing someone's day up" is increasing, but the amount of oblivious targets wandering around out there for you to "**** up" are remaining the same. The reward of null sec is massive, 3 hours of complexes can get you 1 or 2 pilots licenses, 3 hours of L4 missions in highsec can get you a Drake.

STFU, your misinformation and ignorance is absolutely astounding.

In what way are they trying to do that?