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High Sec Escalations to Low Sec...They suck

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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#21 - 2012-12-10 08:49:31 UTC
I had the same problem, though I was only in a Drake.

I was being super cautious, descanning every 2 seconds at maximum range.

As soon as I saw combat probes I warped to safe. Waited at the safe spot, cloaked, warped back tried to continue.

What happened though was someone had already scanned down the drake as I was warping out (I pre-aligned when running the escalation).

They also had one of my safe spots locked down too.

Apparently, they were watching me almost the entire time in their cloaky proteus and had a second char jump me obviously in a hurricane, whilst also warning me in local before they jumped in. They didn't attack, but they could have, very easily.

Seeing as the drake is such a high sig, they probably got me in 2 probe passes or even one perhaps.

No way around this as far as I could see, just abandon the escalation as soon as I saw probes. In the end though, they talked to me, were fairly nice, and let me run the escalation without attacking me or stealing the loot (which was crap anyway).

Lesson sort of learned - don't bother with HS->LS escalalations.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-12-10 09:58:37 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Lesson sort of learned - don't bother with HS->LS escalalations.


The problems you experienced are not very likely to happen repeatedly, and i would say that loosing an insured battlecruiser compared to the DED drops, makes the reward worth the risk.

Then again if you really don't like flying in low-sec, then don't do the escalations.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#23 - 2012-12-10 13:26:17 UTC
dexington wrote:
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Lesson sort of learned - don't bother with HS->LS escalalations.


The problems you experienced are not very likely to happen repeatedly, and i would say that loosing an insured battlecruiser compared to the DED drops, makes the reward worth the risk.

Then again if you really don't like flying in low-sec, then don't do the escalations.


Very true. I don't mind so often, this looked like a one off occurance, and the prober was very determined - they took way over 1 1/2 hours to lock me down (though they might have been lurking for a long time before that).

I will still do LS escalations, but I leave them if they end up in bad hotspot systems (e.g Tama).

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Mnemosyne Gloob
#24 - 2012-12-13 11:23:49 UTC
That reminds me: MWDs are still not allowed in escalation DED sites (at least in the guristas DED 5) - which we found out when probing out someone running one. Must be an oversight on CCPs part, i guess.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-13 11:36:08 UTC
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
That reminds me: MWDs are still not allowed in escalation DED sites (at least in the guristas DED 5) - which we found out when probing out someone running one. Must be an oversight on CCPs part, i guess.


My experience is that they do work in most rated and unrated DED sites.

If you are using mwd's and are not sure if a site allows you to use it, just make sure you have a afterburner fit in the cargo hold and which out the mwd on the nearest station, if you find out it's not allowed.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Mnemosyne Gloob
#26 - 2012-12-13 11:40:46 UTC
Thats the thing: A DED 5 that i scan down allows MWD, but apparently a DED 5 that someone got as an escalation from a highsec anomaly does not :)
Dzajic
#27 - 2012-12-13 13:47:34 UTC
Most of highsec escalations can potentially lead only to small c-type type gear so yeah, even if they drop they are not really worth it. Always check wiki and other articles first to see what is it you are risking your ship and pod for. Especially not worth risking a pimped T3 for small c-type stuff. But some can be done in a AF. Or could have been done before the new agro mechanics.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-12-13 13:52:49 UTC
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
That reminds me: MWDs are still not allowed in escalation DED sites (at least in the guristas DED 5) - which we found out when probing out someone running one. Must be an oversight on CCPs part, i guess.

Probably an oversight since all the affected sites are ones they added after "The Great MWD to all PvE" buff
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-13 14:10:01 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Most of highsec escalations can potentially lead only to small c-type type gear so yeah, even if they drop they are not really worth it.


You can get A-type small modules from some escalations that take you into low-sec, you also have the chance of getting T2 implants, faction frig bpc and faction modules.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#30 - 2012-12-13 15:17:38 UTC
I had a Guristas Hideout and a Guristas Lookout escalate one after the other to Soothsayer and Trap! They both escalated to completion, so Trap! ended up in Lo-Sec. My results are atypical, but between the two escalations I scored about 500M worth of loot (Low-Grade Crystal Epsilon and a Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field).

Amusingly, I didn't get anything special at the Lo-Sec terminus of Trap!

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#31 - 2012-12-13 19:49:57 UTC
Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:
I had a Guristas Hideout and a Guristas Lookout escalate one after the other to Soothsayer and Trap! They both escalated to completion, so Trap! ended up in Lo-Sec. My results are atypical, but between the two escalations I scored about 500M worth of loot (Low-Grade Crystal Epsilon and a Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field).

Amusingly, I didn't get anything special at the Lo-Sec terminus of Trap!


I've found it's pretty common to get bugger all at the last losec stage of Trap! I've run it in total about 6 times in total now, and nothing at all dropped - the wreck was empty every time. Random is random but seems a bit odd nothing was there.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Xuahn
McDermott Industries
#32 - 2012-12-13 21:13:08 UTC
lol I feel you there. Exploration seems to hate me.

3 escalations and one 4/10 last night and no faction loot.

Hell I ran the 4/10 in a destroyer took forever but my next closest ship was 15 jumps away.

I don't know if that's normal or not since I have never really messed with exploration until this week, but so far its been bugger all. I did get one hacking site that netted me a cool 20mil, but i have yet to get a good escalation.

On topic,

I don't see any reason to run highsec exploration in a t3. I have done most of it in a dessy (granted i'm sure a t3 would have taken 1/2 1/4 of the time)

If you want to do them faster then a dessy use a HAC or AF. As far as I know scanning down frigs is a much bigger pita then a cruiser.
Tai Lin
We hate tax
#33 - 2012-12-14 00:31:00 UTC
while fitting my cnr i wanted to try out my really dusty manticore on and slapped a probe launcher on it... which led me to an escalation, and another and another.
so i now find myself like 16 jumps away from what i actually wanted to do i a ship with bs-sized weapons to kill cruisers and frigs.

it has been a blast so far.

maybe it is the stealth bomber, exploration new feel combo that gets me but i do not see me doing any mission right now or near future experiencing this~~

aaaanyway i got a little bit of a problem tough, last time i warped to the site the beacon was on acc-gate which decloaked me and the rats where in a neat pocket around me at 10-12km range.
some suicide mwd activation and lucky celestial which i was almost aligned to on warp in let me escape in hull (the excitement~)
there is no way to warp to something like 100km from the journal i guess? the solution i came up was to warp my pod in bookmark and come back with appropriate range.
my next encounter is in a 0.4 sec system and i see enemys everwhere and feel them breathing down my neck. so if there is some other way to get some distance on warp in i am all ears. got myself a medium shield extender as my second option to collect bookmarks but i guess thats suboptimal, the next time the scrambler rat could be right next to me on warp in right?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-12-14 06:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Tai Lin wrote:

aaaanyway i got a little bit of a problem tough, last time i warped to the site the beacon was on acc-gate which decloaked me and the rats where in a neat pocket around me at 10-12km range.
some suicide mwd activation and lucky celestial which i was almost aligned to on warp in let me escape in hull (the excitement~)
there is no way to warp to something like 100km from the journal i guess? the solution i came up was to warp my pod in bookmark and come back with appropriate range.
my next encounter is in a 0.4 sec system and i see enemys everwhere and feel them breathing down my neck. so if there is some other way to get some distance on warp in i am all ears. got myself a medium shield extender as my second option to collect bookmarks but i guess thats suboptimal, the next time the scrambler rat could be right next to me on warp in right?

Yeah, can't warp to 100km of the site beacon with the Journal location. Have to warp to 0 unfortunately.

I don't know. Maybe the amount of time between decloak and NPC reaction time is quicker now due to the enhanced AI. It seems to me there was a little bit of time for the cloak to actually drop after the Module cycle stops, then a bit more time before the NPC's noticed and reacted to you.

However, there should be plenty of time to bookmark the beacon or Accel-Gate and then warp out to a safe spot again, especially if you're cloaked in-route to the Journal location. Just make sure you have 'Beacons' set to show in the Overview. As soon as the cloak module stops it's cycle, activate defenses, bookmark the site, r-click / warp back to safe. Might get a couple of Rats starting to target you but your ship should be in warp by then.

You know what to do if a rat get's a 'Lock' on you.

Anyway, good luck to you.


DMC
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#35 - 2012-12-14 08:29:40 UTC
Xuahn wrote:
lol I feel you there. Exploration seems to hate me.

snip...

On topic,

I don't see any reason to run highsec exploration in a t3. I have done most of it in a dessy (granted i'm sure a t3 would have taken 1/2 1/4 of the time)

If you want to do them faster then a dessy use a HAC or AF. As far as I know scanning down frigs is a much bigger pita then a cruiser.


I'd have to disagree with you there, running in a T3 is a hell of a lot faster, often you can clear the site in minutes, rather than tens of minutes, by which time someone else will probably come along in their T3 and ninja the loot from in front of your nose, leaving you fuming! :P

I speak from experience here where a Tengu stole the loot from a 4/10 (which they smacked in local was the 650M item) then proceeded to bait me by dropping a can in it's place, whilst his corp mate entered the plex behind me...

Now instead of beating them, I've joined them, and it's far quicker to blitz sites in a tengu than any Drake (slowass) or a destroyer (which will find a 4/10 too hard to do).

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html

Xuahn
McDermott Industries
#36 - 2012-12-14 21:56:00 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Xuahn wrote:
lol I feel you there. Exploration seems to hate me.

snip...

On topic,

I don't see any reason to run highsec exploration in a t3. I have done most of it in a dessy (granted i'm sure a t3 would have taken 1/2 1/4 of the time)

If you want to do them faster then a dessy use a HAC or AF. As far as I know scanning down frigs is a much bigger pita then a cruiser.


I'd have to disagree with you there, running in a T3 is a hell of a lot faster, often you can clear the site in minutes, rather than tens of minutes, by which time someone else will probably come along in their T3 and ninja the loot from in front of your nose, leaving you fuming! :P

I speak from experience here where a Tengu stole the loot from a 4/10 (which they smacked in local was the 650M item) then proceeded to bait me by dropping a can in it's place, whilst his corp mate entered the plex behind me...

Now instead of beating them, I've joined them, and it's far quicker to blitz sites in a tengu than any Drake (slowass) or a destroyer (which will find a 4/10 too hard to do).



Ohh i agree completely its a **** load faster in a t3. That being said most HACs can do it just as fast for a whole lot less money.

Also if im not mistaken the original question was about escalations that dropped him in lowsec. Escalations are a whole different story then 3/10's or 4/10's (The ones i have done anyway) escalations can be ran quite fast in a dessy or an af.

Hey im new to exploration, been out of game awhile. If the OP is really worried about losing his 500+ mil ship to a high sec -> low sec escalation, I would honestly tell him to use a hac / af / dessy for the lowsec part. Its not like you dont have time to dock and swap ships.


On another note, I used my proteus last night to do some exploration, found a 3/10 and it took about 10 minutes with some salvaging. Way faster the the dessy.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#37 - 2012-12-14 22:09:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistah Ewedynao
Lots of good info here still.

I just had a high sec escalation that actually ended in high sec! A first.

Was one of the ones where you have to use a frigate. Lott was nothing to write home about. low grade snake alpha and I got tha tbefore I got the overseer.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Rusty Waynne
Rusty Waynne Corporation
#38 - 2012-12-15 05:10:01 UTC
Your first mistake was flying a billion+isk ship in low sec.

That's beyond stupid. You should of left your Loki in its hangar and taken a t2 fitted vagabond.

Better to fly something that only costs you 200m isk into lowsec instead of something that's over a billion but performs similarly.

And yes. Never, ever do PVE when neuts are in system. Ever. Don't be greedy and risk it. And if you do you better refresh that d-scan every 5 seconds and look for probes. You see probes, then that's your cue to GTFO.
Rusty Waynne
Rusty Waynne Corporation
#39 - 2012-12-15 05:12:19 UTC
Tai Lin wrote:
while fitting my cnr i wanted to try out my really dusty manticore on and slapped a probe launcher on it... which led me to an escalation, and another and another.
so i now find myself like 16 jumps away from what i actually wanted to do i a ship with bs-sized weapons to kill cruisers and frigs.

it has been a blast so far.

maybe it is the stealth bomber, exploration new feel combo that gets me but i do not see me doing any mission right now or near future experiencing this~~

aaaanyway i got a little bit of a problem tough, last time i warped to the site the beacon was on acc-gate which decloaked me and the rats where in a neat pocket around me at 10-12km range.
some suicide mwd activation and lucky celestial which i was almost aligned to on warp in let me escape in hull (the excitement~)
there is no way to warp to something like 100km from the journal i guess? the solution i came up was to warp my pod in bookmark and come back with appropriate range.
my next encounter is in a 0.4 sec system and i see enemys everwhere and feel them breathing down my neck. so if there is some other way to get some distance on warp in i am all ears. got myself a medium shield extender as my second option to collect bookmarks but i guess thats suboptimal, the next time the scrambler rat could be right next to me on warp in right?


Mission rats see through cloak now btw.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#40 - 2012-12-18 16:29:54 UTC
Quote:
Mission rats see through cloak now btw.


Although we are NOT talking about missions, can anybody confirm this?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

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