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EULA: Loan an alt account?

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Edlorna Tinebe
The Elerium Trust
#1 - 2012-12-13 21:20:50 UTC
I'm heading out to my parents' house for Christmas, and won't be back home for a while. I'll be taking my laptop, of course. Unfortunately, my laptop starts crying whenever I ask it to run more than one EVE client.

I have an alt account whose sole purpose is mining, but unfortunately I won't get any mining done without my desktop computer. I have a friend ( a meatspace friend, meaning he's within physical violence distance) in my corp who I would be willing to give access to this alt account. I mean, two weeks is a long time for an account to go basically unused. Would it be a violation of the EULA to lend him the alt account, to add to his own mining fleet, for the duration of my trip? I know most MMO EULA's forbid sharing accounts or anything like it, so I figured it was worth asking for clarification.
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-12-13 21:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Edlorna Tinebe wrote:
I'm heading out to my parents' house for Christmas, and won't be back home for a while. I'll be taking my laptop, of course. Unfortunately, my laptop starts crying whenever I ask it to run more than one EVE client.

I have an alt account whose sole purpose is mining, but unfortunately I won't get any mining done without my desktop computer. I have a friend ( a meatspace friend, meaning he's within physical violence distance) in my corp who I would be willing to give access to this alt account. I mean, two weeks is a long time for an account to go basically unused. Would it be a violation of the EULA to lend him the alt account, to add to his own mining fleet, for the duration of my trip? I know most MMO EULA's forbid sharing accounts or anything like it, so I figured it was worth asking for clarification.


And if you would have read the EULA.

It clearly states that account sharing is strictly forbidden and a ban able offense.

Seriously, just put in a 2+ week skill and go have your holiday, when you come back that skill will (almost) be trained.

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp

Section 3...1st line.

EULA wrote:
You are not permitted to transfer your Account to another person.


EDIT:

Given that you just posted this on the forum which is monitored by CCP...

Great job, they can easily back trace what your alt account is and monitor the logs.

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Matalino
#3 - 2012-12-13 21:42:21 UTC
Using an account that is not your own is a violation of the EULA.
Lictas Alice
The Men Who Sold Worlds
Just Happy to be Here
#4 - 2012-12-13 22:32:46 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Edlorna Tinebe wrote:
I'm heading out to my parents' house for Christmas, and won't be back home for a while. I'll be taking my laptop, of course. Unfortunately, my laptop starts crying whenever I ask it to run more than one EVE client.

I have an alt account whose sole purpose is mining, but unfortunately I won't get any mining done without my desktop computer. I have a friend ( a meatspace friend, meaning he's within physical violence distance) in my corp who I would be willing to give access to this alt account. I mean, two weeks is a long time for an account to go basically unused. Would it be a violation of the EULA to lend him the alt account, to add to his own mining fleet, for the duration of my trip? I know most MMO EULA's forbid sharing accounts or anything like it, so I figured it was worth asking for clarification.


And if you would have read the EULA.

It clearly states that account sharing is strictly forbidden and a ban able offense.

Seriously, just put in a 2+ week skill and go have your holiday, when you come back that skill will (almost) be trained.

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp

Section 3...1st line.

EULA wrote:
You are not permitted to transfer your Account to another person.


EDIT:

Given that you just posted this on the forum which is monitored by CCP...

Great job, they can easily back trace what your alt account is and monitor the logs.

He was asking if he could , Dont be a cointy punt now
Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#5 - 2012-12-13 22:44:48 UTC
Y'know, beyond the whole 'against the EULA' thing? This is the kind of thing that someone who plays EVE, more than anyone else in the whole world, should know is a bad idea. It ranks up there with "Hey, we're gonna give the really new guywith 50k sp on a trial account who joined us right after we wardecced some huge alliance and that we've never actually met full access to the corp wallet and hangars, mmkay?" Seriously I want my kids to play EVE just so that they'll learn to instinctively know not to do things like that.
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-13 22:48:24 UTC
Lictas Alice wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Edlorna Tinebe wrote:
I'm heading out to my parents' house for Christmas, and won't be back home for a while. I'll be taking my laptop, of course. Unfortunately, my laptop starts crying whenever I ask it to run more than one EVE client.

I have an alt account whose sole purpose is mining, but unfortunately I won't get any mining done without my desktop computer. I have a friend ( a meatspace friend, meaning he's within physical violence distance) in my corp who I would be willing to give access to this alt account. I mean, two weeks is a long time for an account to go basically unused. Would it be a violation of the EULA to lend him the alt account, to add to his own mining fleet, for the duration of my trip? I know most MMO EULA's forbid sharing accounts or anything like it, so I figured it was worth asking for clarification.


And if you would have read the EULA.

It clearly states that account sharing is strictly forbidden and a ban able offense.

Seriously, just put in a 2+ week skill and go have your holiday, when you come back that skill will (almost) be trained.

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp

Section 3...1st line.

EULA wrote:
You are not permitted to transfer your Account to another person.


EDIT:

Given that you just posted this on the forum which is monitored by CCP...

Great job, they can easily back trace what your alt account is and monitor the logs.

He was asking if he could , Dont be a cointy punt now


And as ALL rules are always listed in the EULA and ToS he could also have pulled it up himself and actually read it.

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Merouk Baas
#7 - 2012-12-13 22:57:34 UTC
1. Yes it's a major violation of the EULA, they will ban you for it.

2. "Within Physical Violence Distance" means nothing. He steals your stuff, you go to his house to beat him up, he calls the police, you go to jail, he wins all, you lose all.
Lictas Alice
The Men Who Sold Worlds
Just Happy to be Here
#8 - 2012-12-13 23:28:36 UTC
Yeah if he read it he could of found it, But atleast he asked ? Most the stuff on this forum can be googled....
Edlorna Tinebe
The Elerium Trust
#9 - 2012-12-14 00:11:36 UTC
Thanks for all the positive, constructive criticism of my reading comprehension. Of course I read the damn EULA for myself. My question was not whether I could sell my account to my friend, or give it away. I was seeking clarification as to whether giving him temporary use of my alt account counts as "transferring to another person".
J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-14 00:20:10 UTC
Edlorna Tinebe wrote:
Thanks for all the positive, constructive criticism of my reading comprehension. Of course I read the damn EULA for myself. My question was not whether I could sell my account to my friend, or give it away. I was seeking clarification as to whether giving him temporary use of my alt account counts as "transferring to another person".


Any form of account sharing is prohibited and will result in a very quick and heavy strike of the ban-hammer.

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E'dyn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-14 00:59:38 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Edlorna Tinebe wrote:
Thanks for all the positive, constructive criticism of my reading comprehension. Of course I read the damn EULA for myself. My question was not whether I could sell my account to my friend, or give it away. I was seeking clarification as to whether giving him temporary use of my alt account counts as "transferring to another person".


Any form of account sharing is prohibited and will result in a very quick and heavy strike of the ban-hammer.



How does that translate in a household though. For example husband and wife, both have an account of their own and share a third account for industry.

Or brother/sister and brother/sister where one of the siblings give use of a alt account to his/her brother/sister

Or what about a parent that has a second account he/she has a son/daughter play on in order to check up on them and make surenthing horrible is mailed to them...

Guess my examples aren't exactly the same as OP but it's a good question since I am sure there could be a few things were this rule is bent slightly..
Edlorna Tinebe
The Elerium Trust
#12 - 2012-12-14 01:14:23 UTC
E'dyn wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Edlorna Tinebe wrote:
Thanks for all the positive, constructive criticism of my reading comprehension. Of course I read the damn EULA for myself. My question was not whether I could sell my account to my friend, or give it away. I was seeking clarification as to whether giving him temporary use of my alt account counts as "transferring to another person".


Any form of account sharing is prohibited and will result in a very quick and heavy strike of the ban-hammer.



How does that translate in a household though. For example husband and wife, both have an account of their own and share a third account for industry.

Or brother/sister and brother/sister where one of the siblings give use of a alt account to his/her brother/sister

Or what about a parent that has a second account he/she has a son/daughter play on in order to check up on them and make surenthing horrible is mailed to them...

Guess my examples aren't exactly the same as OP but it's a good question since I am sure there could be a few things were this rule is bent slightly..


The part about parents owning an account that they allow their kids to play is a common one, but most MMO's state that if a parent and child both play the game, then they each need to pay their own subscription. The husband/wife shared industrial account is a bit more murky, since married couples tend to share everything anyway,and they each have their own primary accounts (at least in your example).

But I would have no qualms about allowing a friend to come over and give EVE a try on my account. Sure, that's what the free two-week trials are for, but there are still some aspects you can't really get a feel for with just two weeks of skill points. If he wants to see what driving a battleship is like, I'd let him.

Actually, the husband/wife thing matches my own situation more closely than I might like to admit. Our corporation has several members, but it's primarily shared between me and my friend. We've worked together for a while, so the assets on the alt account are as much his as mine.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#13 - 2012-12-14 06:31:26 UTC
Account in sister's boyfriend's name. We started after he quit and then whined for him to keep it open. Guess we're in double jeopardy?

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GM Spiral
Game Master Retirement Home
#14 - 2012-12-14 08:55:27 UTC
Logging into someone else's account or giving someone else access to your account is in violation of section 2 B of the End Users License Agreement. I would advise against putting that to the test. People put a lot of work into their EVE accounts and having it compromised or banned is generally not an entertaining situation.

If you have any further questions about this, your account or our policies then please file a petition and we'll be happy to answer and advise you in detail regarding your situation.

Senior Game Master | CCP Games Customer Support Team

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#15 - 2012-12-14 10:06:34 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
1. Yes it's a major violation of the EULA, they will ban you for it.

2. "Within Physical Violence Distance" means nothing. He steals your stuff, you go to his house to beat him up, he calls the police, you go to jail, he wins all, you lose all.


Plus, mates from real life are the _funniest_ people to screw with, my social circle spent like the entire first 24 hours after the patch putting bounties on each other and trying to nick each others' loot without getting suspect-killed by the whole zone.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#16 - 2012-12-14 12:19:46 UTC
It's a case of "don't ask, don't tell", what you have to understand is that CCP isn't being a party pooper because they want to but because there's such a mess for the GM's to clean up after account sharing (of any kind) if it goes wrong. So instead of trying to figure out the "he said, she said" and having to back trace all the transactions logs they can now go "banned lol" and use their time for more important stuff, like actual problems.

So if you ask them they'll give you the official answer, just don't ask but also IF it goes wrong don't petition.

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-14 12:24:29 UTC
Yeah you could have "given it away" for 2 weeks as in "quit eve" and then "miraculously" gotten it back, but ofcourse, don't petition if anything goes wrong.

:P
Shandir
Indigo Archive
#18 - 2012-12-14 13:45:46 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
It's a case of "don't ask, don't tell", what you have to understand is that CCP isn't being a party pooper because they want to but because there's such a mess for the GM's to clean up after account sharing (of any kind) if it goes wrong. So instead of trying to figure out the "he said, she said" and having to back trace all the transactions logs they can now go "banned lol" and use their time for more important stuff, like actual problems.

So if you ask them they'll give you the official answer, just don't ask but also IF it goes wrong don't petition.


The thing is, there's a much neater (at least from my perspective - probably not a lawyer's) solution - state that players do so at their own risk, and that any action taken by the account is considered to be taken by the account holder. You wouldn't be able to petition for lost stuff, or claim that any bad behavior was someone else.

Wouldn't it be much easier if, instead of this unspoken 'don't ask, don't tell' policy, they simply said it was okay if you realise you're taking a massive risk to your account doing so.

I really think that this policy is probably also affected by account-selling. If they allow account borrowing, perhaps it opens them up legally to account selling?
Matalino
#19 - 2012-12-14 15:22:06 UTC
Shandir wrote:
The thing is, there's a much neater (at least from my perspective - probably not a lawyer's) solution - state that players do so at their own risk, and that any action taken by the account is considered to be taken by the account holder. You wouldn't be able to petition for lost stuff, or claim that any bad behavior was someone else.

Wouldn't it be much easier if, instead of this unspoken 'don't ask, don't tell' policy, they simply said it was okay if you realise you're taking a massive risk to your account doing so.

I really think that this policy is probably also affected by account-selling. If they allow account borrowing, perhaps it opens them up legally to account selling?

The problem with such a policy is that it leaves opportunity for people to hack accounts. With an offical "at your own risk" policy existed, it would protect RMT scum that hack accounts because they will not have violated any rule when they accessed someone else's account. With the no exceptions policy, CCP can simply ban all the hacker's accounts just because they accessed someone else's account, with no need to unravel he-said-she-said stories.
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#20 - 2012-12-14 15:31:33 UTC
Yes, with such a policy, an RMTer could simply say that their friend did it not them, and that the account should not be banned. With a punishment of banning for both crimes, "it was my mate not me" it is moot defence.
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