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WindRode
Kairiola's Legacy
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2012-12-14 07:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: WindRode
The Orca is supposed to be a Capital Ship, but has only about 1/8th the capacity of a freighter when fully pimped out.

For the purpose of discussion, may I suggest a change to the Orca and make it so that it can be reconfigured.

Have an option, accessable through the right click menu that allows you to convert the Orca's Ship Maintenance Bay (SMB) into an Ore Hold Extension. This option could only be accessable in a station or at a POS with an online SMB.

If the SMB is configured as SMB it cannot carry ore, and vice versa, if it is in Ore hold extension mode, it cannot hold ships or be used as for refitting purposes.

This would allow an extra 400K m3 of ore to be carried in Fleet Mining mode bringing it up to about 2/3 of a Freighter capacity; it would complement a Rorq in industrial mode better.

It your moving ships around to new mining locations, you just need to reconfig back to SMB mode. You could also have the same config options on the Ore bay allowing an increase in ship carrying capacity.
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-12-14 07:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I think the Cargo Hold and Corp Hanger should be tanked down until it is for Crystal and refit use only then they slap another +250m3 into the ORE Hold and the /cargo bonus changed to 5% ORE Hold Capacity. Finally a forth high for a Tractor.

An unpopular decision sure but then they should then release light freighters for the Cargo role leaving the Orca strictly as a Mining Commend Ship.

Part of this train of thought: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=172083
Slash Harnet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-12-14 14:43:17 UTC
I'd love to get the SMB increased. So much easier to move rigged ships around instead of making a ton of shuttle runs.
WindRode
Kairiola's Legacy
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2012-12-15 00:55:28 UTC
For moving rigged / fitted ships around, I would have something like a freighter in size, or bigger designed specifically as a ship mover - sort of like a car transporter.

Must be capable of say 6 fitted BS size ships. Transport point to point only, no swapping out or fitting in space except at a POS
Ttochpej
Orbital Horizons University
#5 - 2012-12-15 10:37:52 UTC
I use the Orca for mining boosts and hauling mostly, but have used the ship maintenance bay when I was trying out manufacturing and when trying wormholes out. I like the Orca how it is at the moment.

Being able to use that extra space of the ship maintenance bay for storing ore, or other stuff when mining in high sec or when filling up to transport stuff out of a worm hole would be nice, but if they where going to add anything to the orca at the moment I think it would be better to make a new version of the orca instead of making changes to the current orca. Like how you have the freighter and then the jump freighters.

Is there any in game story or reason that says why the ship maintenance bay can't be used to store stuff. Like is the ship Maintenance bay supposed to be exposed to space or not be air tight or something?
Yee Ant
Indus Pirotech
#6 - 2012-12-17 21:23:41 UTC
Ttochpej wrote:

Being able to use that extra space of the ship maintenance bay for storing ore, or other stuff when mining in high sec or when filling up to transport stuff out of a worm hole would be nice, but if they where going to add anything to the orca at the moment I think it would be better to make a new version of the orca instead of making changes to the current orca.



New version of the Orca with Jump Drive? It already exists, the Rorqual. Unfortunaltely the Rorqual cannot enter Hi-sec, (and why not?). If either the rorqual could enter hi-sec or the Orca be upgraded via a module to have a jump drive i'd be (very) happy. Either way it would instantly become a mini jump freighter / personal low-high caravan.

As for cargo space, the Orca is no slouch, getting nearly 200 000 (inc 50k ore hold) when fully modded and skilled + the very welcome 400k maintenance bay for ships (what would the orca be without the ability to carry barges/exhumers for fleet ops, or the ability to act as your personal caravan carrying your own collection of ships around the universe?)
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-12-18 09:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
Slash Harnet wrote:
I'd love to get the SMB increased. So much easier to move rigged ships around instead of making a ton of shuttle runs.


Just pack the rigged ships into a courier contract with up to 981.250 m3 and fly it around with a Charon! Smile

@Topic: I prefer it the way it is at the moment. I like the Orca to be as flexible as it is (mining suppor / very fast mid-size freighter)! And after Retribution you can use a freighter for bigger Mining Operations if you like.
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#8 - 2012-12-18 21:10:02 UTC
WindRode wrote:
The Orca is supposed to be a Capital Ship, but has only about 1/8th the capacity of a freighter when fully pimped out.


A carrier is a true capital ship, and it has less even less cargo space than an Orca (SMA notwithstanding) For that matter, a Dreadnought doesn't even have a Corp/Fleet Hangar or SMA.

Orca is fine. Hell, you can even put compressed ore products in the Ore Bay now. A Freighter can now pick up and drop of regular jet cans, leading to Freighter+Noctis combos in belts these days, with an Orca boosting from somewhere in system.

Look, the life of a miner is already manyfold easier than it was even just a few months ago. Try not to push your luck, you're looking quite spoiled.

/T
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-18 22:53:29 UTC
I'm not sure anyone really considers the orca a capital ship.

It doesn't require the Cap Ship skill, it doesn't benefit from Advanced Spaceship command, it can be used in hi sec, it can travel through almost all wormholes.

The only argument in favor is that it's listed under Capital Industrial Ships in the market. Hardly compelling evidence.
Diremage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-19 22:48:25 UTC
One might argue, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and people call it a duck, it is most likely, in fact, a duck.

In this case, if it walks like a capital ship (eg, very, very slowly), has abilities that only capital ships have (like a fleet hangar), and people call it a capital ship, perhaps it is, in fact, a capital ship.

It's a low-end capital ship, to be sure. But I have a hard time mistaking it for anything else.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2012-12-20 03:41:38 UTC
Diremage wrote:
One might argue, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and people call it a duck, it is most likely, in fact, a duck.

In this case, if it walks like a capital ship (eg, very, very slowly), has abilities that only capital ships have (like a fleet hangar), and people call it a capital ship, perhaps it is, in fact, a capital ship.

It's a low-end capital ship, to be sure. But I have a hard time mistaking it for anything else.


Bah. These determinations really deserve a sophisticated cladistic analysis based on which traits arose first and were inherited by subsequent types versus the traits that exhibit similarities yet instead arose through convergence. The major determination is whether the Orca arises from the ORE clade (which also shares the traits you mentioned with respect to speed) and the SMB was a convergent development shared with carriers or rather if the SMB (which it shares with carriers but not all capitals) determines the capital clade and the ability to use gates was acquired adaptively.

In either case I'd like to formally propose that freighters are in fact the common ancestor between capitals and subcaps and not, as is commonly believed, a sub-group of either.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-12-20 03:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Zhilia Mann wrote:


Bah. These determinations really deserve a sophisticated cladistic analysis based on which traits arose first and were inherited by subsequent types versus the traits that exhibit similarities yet instead arose through convergence. The major determination is whether the Orca arises from the ORE clade (which also shares the traits you mentioned with respect to speed) and the SMB was a convergent development shared with carriers or rather if the SMB (which it shares with carriers but not all capitals) determines the capital clade and the ability to use gates was acquired adaptively.

In either case I'd like to formally propose that freighters are in fact the common ancestor between capitals and subcaps and not, as is commonly believed, a sub-group of either.


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Diremage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-20 04:05:13 UTC
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In either case I'd like to formally propose that freighters are in fact the common ancestor between capitals and subcaps and not, as is commonly believed, a sub-group of either.


Slow, prehistoric, and largely without the advanced defenses and predatory mechanisms seen in later capital designs? Sounds like an ancestor class to me.

A freighter flock is often a precursor to a capital fleet, however. Perhaps their ancestry is more immediate than we presumed?